R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[dfopiso]

http://dirp4.pids.gov.ph/ris/dps/pidsdps9721.pdf[/QUOTE]

the findings in this study, the reason for the car manufacturing program was not successful, was due to low local demand, which was posted earlier

no wonder Tata made it thru

but why Proton?

[uls]

we tried pala in the mid 1990's to pursue the People's Car Program; malamang wala ring nangyari

coz Kia Pride happened

btw, havent you read about MVDP (Motor Vehicle Development Program)?

[A121]

May phases ang economy - consumption, production and value added (R&D).

Pinas has been stuck in the consumption phase for too long. Always ready to take-off. Vietnam is already kicking-off its economy for production. I think they are building a nuclear plant. Siguro in 5 years time, ang pagkukumparahan lang natin ay Cambodia, Myanmar, Bangladesh... hehehehehe.

I have to agree with uls's stand. If you look at the economic indicators, we have a very bleak future. We are too reliant on net factor income from abroad. Imagine that it is 25% of the total GNI. It might rival the oil revenues of Malaysia. Bakit ka pa magshift into production when you can get remittances from abroad.

[Ry_Tower]

http://dirp4.pids.gov.ph/ris/dps/pidsdps9721.pdf

the findings in this study, the reason for the car manufacturing program was not successful, was due to low local demand, which was posted earlier

no wonder Tata made it thru

but why Proton?[/QUOTE]

Afaik proton was forced to the people muna that is why the company somehow became profitable. Huge tax on imported cars.

Proton (automobile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[dfopiso]

^ im not sure if the MVDP is in this study http://dirp4.pids.gov.ph/ris/dps/pidsdps9721.pdf

im at page 12 yet

policy changes due to deregulation also damaged our car mfg program

kaya nyo pala inisa-isa mga presidents ... i suppose you meant changes in government policies due to changes in personality (the president), which correlates to partisan politics

[niky]

it's year 2012 and the Phils. still manufactures in right angles

i guess nobody here is investing in machines the can mass produce curves

Uh... they do and we do. We have the machines to produce complex body panels here, locally, and the owners are willing to produce motor vehicles.

The only reason we don't do it is because no local start-up can guarantee the volume that will pay for the dies. Minimum volume is 40,000 units a year. That's ten to twenty years of sales for a non-Toyota model. After five years, the die will be obsolete and they'll need to retool.

We have factories that can produce bodies and engines.

All we lack is market. Which is why many of those factories were shuttered until the Chinese came along and leased them.

but why Proton?

Because "closed market" and "Malaysian Government Oil Money".

And look at where Proton is now. Even if your country produces so much petroleum that it can build skyscrapers on a whim, build an FIA Grade I racetrack and afford flashy multi-million dollar tourism ads... even if your company is so rich it can afford to purchase ailing supercar makers (Lotus) and Formula One teams... even all the money in the world won't help you take on the big boys and survive... not without a revolutionary or at least outstanding product and the willingness to drop all pretense of patriotism and work to make the car really competitive instead of hyper-focusing on national pride.

The downfall of Proton is multi-pronged. Not enough quality. Not enough of a local market to support it. Not enough appeal. The quality issue is because Proton, instead of continuing with Japanese parts and staying reliable, switched over to local suppliers wholesale simply because they wanted the car to be all-Malaysian. The interior of the first all-Malaysian Proton was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. Needless to say, it wasn't a big hit in foreign markets, and people didn't like the new Protons.

Proton is now all but dead outside of Malaysia.

[uls]

The only reason we don't do it is because no local start-up can guarantee the volume that will pay for the dies. Minimum volume is 40,000 units a year. That's ten to twenty years of sales for a non-Toyota model. After five years, the die will be obsolete and they'll need to retool.

so it all comes down to capital parin. the lack thereof. nobody willing to put up the capital

if somebody's willing to gamble -- put up the capital to produce 40,000 units of pinoy-made cars knowing full well na maiipit ang puhunan niya sa isang malaking malaking stockyard na puno ng brand new pinoy-made oto

[dfopiso]

^ apparently that required minimum volume was mentioned in this study http://dirp4.pids.gov.ph/ris/dps/pidsdps9721.pdf

i suppose the 40k units are composed of local and export sales already; or local sales only?

[dfopiso]

wow, it appears sales volume is the key after all ... not lack of local investors nor skills

[uls]

if there are foreign buyers then that's great

doesnt matter if local or foreign buyers basta get those cars out of the stockyard