R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[EVO-V]

new buses are being imported whole

aside from brand new China buses, there are also imported CBU Korean buses

hyundai quezon avenue (across Maxima Komatsu) has brand new CBU buses on display

Like I said, we can't be too emotional about NOT having a FILIPINO-made car. If you're willing to overlook the fact that we do build rather complex parts for a lot of automotive manufacturers you wouldn't be so hurried in dismissing the capabilities of the auto parts industry in providing world-class high quality components.

The process of the teardown and rebuild aren't necessarily more complicated than mass production. Meaning given the parts, one can build a bus from scratch. Vallacar for instance can churn out 45 practically new buses every month. This currently serves their requirements as it does their bottom line.

The choice of vendors for parts largely lie in the advantages (not necessarily price) they can avail of. The fact that they've vertically integrated a good part of their operations for their consumables grants them huge economic efficiencies.

Understandably fleet economics is different from consumer level vehicles. But it is something that is happening and no matter how hard people can put the industry down, it is something one can't practically dismiss unless he's uninformed.

Moreover, there are local industries that can provide better quality high precision machined parts competitively. Precision well enough that an aerospace parts industry here is taking off, pun unintended.

Almazora and Centro are both second generation businesses and if you'd look at the marked improvements in their products, you'd see why there is good reason why automotive manufacturers and consumers prefer them to be made here.

Let's not discount achievement and possibilities.

Lastly, I don't have to be infinitely right, I just have to be objective.

[uls]

again, who's emotional about not having a filipino-made car?

i'm not the one who's advocating the filipino-made car

i'm not the one who's so passionate about it

and i'm not the one who's so passionate about what pinoys can build or rebuild. you are. talk about being emotional

again, i've been telling filipino-made car advocates for years it's not gonna happen

you sound like jpdm

[dfopiso]

OT: ano ang naging recipe for success ng Tata? pwede bang i-R & duplicate yung business model nila?

[EVO-V]

again, who's emotional about not having a filipino-made car?

i'm not the one who's advocating the filipino-made car

again, i've been telling filipino-made car advocates for years it's not gonna happen

you sound like jpdm

You seem to be too hurried in dismissing local capabilities. Understandably because you clearly do not have the information on hand.

There are niches and specific industries where the economics make perfect sense to build them here, and calling it "fabricating metal boxes with windows" is an unfair oversimplification of the state of the industry.

Who's jpdm?

[dfopiso]

OT: btw, mukhang hindi manufacturing ang DNA ng mga Pilipino; agri/aqua culture yata

problema, kahit nasa atin na IRRI, rice importer pa rin tayo. bakit nagkaganon? diba estudyante lang natin mga Thais, Viets atpb?

bakit hanggang ngayon wala yatang malaking Pilipino company sa agri/acqu business? atin ba ang San Miguel, Del Monte, etc?

yung napanood ko sa NatGeo at History Channel, ang bilis mag harvest sa US

sabi sa Global 3000, food prices has doubled! hindi ba business opportunity yun?

ang Brazil hindi naman yata arable land pero agriculture superpower sila?

[uls]

OT: ano ang naging recipe for success ng Tata? pwede bang i-R & duplicate yung business model nila?

puhunan

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[EVO-V]

OT: btw, mukhang hindi manufacturing ang DNA ng mga Pilipino; agri/aqua culture yata

problema, kahit nasa atin na IRRI, rice importer pa rin tayo. bakit nagkaganon? diba estudyante lang natin mga Thais, Viets atpb?

bakit hanggang ngayon wala yatang malaking Pilipino company sa agri/acqu business? atin ba ang San Miguel, Del Monte, etc?

yung napanood ko sa NatGeo at History Channel, ang bilis mag harvest sa US

sabi sa Global 3000, food prices has doubled! hindi ba business opportunity yun?

ang Brazil hindi naman yata arable land pero agriculture superpower sila?

Ahh ok here are a few things to this. First, manufacturing is an activity any industrializing country should have. No ifs or buts about it.

As far as rice self-sufficiency, we are on target to be so by 2016 give or take a few typhoons. Don't feel so bad about IRRI alumni getting ahead of us, we did have a generation of opportunities lost to martial law and mismanagement after that. Its really just the reality.

Scales of economies in agriculture are achieved by agro-industrial integration. This, however, will not happen quite yet given the abundance of agricultural labor. In most countries where you have this being implemented, there is a growing scarcity and cost of farm labor.

Brazil took decades to get to where it is right now agriculturally. Somehow they were blessed with historical opportunities that were exploited. The investments from terra-forming unusable land to linking these via rail wasn't achieved overnight in tandem with scientific support.

Tata is to India as to what Hyundai/Kia/Samsung is to Korea. It is an industrial conglomerate that benefits from policies of protection. The Indian economy is fairly closed to foreign investments. They can afford to do so given the size of their market.

[uls]

isuzu i-van

metal box with windows

[EVO-V]

isuzu i-van

metal box with windows

A far cry from the Willy's jeep replicas they use to make. Your point being?

[dfopiso]

puhunan

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naku mahirap i-duplicate pala Tata dito, based sa discussion so far