R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

**uls** · October 8th, 2012 05:34 PM

that's one advantage of China's command economy

they can force manufacturers to keep producing even if there's no demand

their goal is to keep people working

here nobody's crazy enough to produce something that has no market

**niky** · October 8th, 2012 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by dfopiso

i suppose the 40k units are composed of local and export sales already; or local sales only?

Yup. But export where? We'd need to build RHD vehicles to export to other ASEAN countries, and even then, we will have issues with price-competitiveness.

Our possible export markets in LHD are Cambodia, Vietnam, China and Taiwan. We can't beat Cambodia or Vietnam for labor costs. We can't penetrate the Chinese market at all, and Taiwan is not likely to want our cars.

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Like I said... if we drop the whole "Pinoy Pride" thing and want to do something that has a good chance of success, invest in Gordon Murray. The T25 will not likely dethrone the Maruti Alto anytime soon, but if you have a three-seat SMART car with high content, exceptional build quality (and our local labor can do that) and a boutique price tag, then we could build that and export it to other Asian markets (hey... we have JPEPA). I'd say lease out the Ford plant and churn those suckers out. Give them a "luxury" price tag of 600-700k pesos and position them as toys for rich men's wives. They'd snap them up in Singapore, HK, Taiwan and China.

**dfopiso** · October 8th, 2012 09:17 PM

yun palang minimum na 40k units for a single model lang

how about a policy to phaseout our jeepneys by a PHUV. to lower cost to operators, pwede sigurong w/ or w/o aircon option. tapos up to 5 yrs lang pwedeng i-operated. abot kaya ng 40k units per year?

pwede rin sigurong mag consolidate ng taxi model (isa lang). max of 5 yrs din lang operation

**EVO-V** · October 8th, 2012 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by niky

Yup. But export where? We'd need to build RHD vehicles to export to other ASEAN countries, and even then, we will have issues with price-competitiveness.

Our possible export markets in LHD are Cambodia, Vietnam, China and Taiwan. We can't beat Cambodia or Vietnam for labor costs. We can't penetrate the Chinese market at all, and Taiwan is not likely to want our cars.

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Like I said... if we drop the whole "Pinoy Pride" thing and want to do something that has a good chance of success, invest in Gordon Murray. The T25 will not likely dethrone the Maruti Alto anytime soon, but if you have a three-seat SMART car with high content, exceptional build quality (and our local labor can do that) and a boutique price tag, then we could build that and export it to other Asian markets (hey... we have JPEPA). I'd say lease out the Ford plant and churn those suckers out. Give them a "luxury" price tag of 600-700k pesos and position them as toys for rich men's wives. They'd snap them up in Singapore, HK, Taiwan and China.

Manufacturing RHD cars aren't necessarily more expensive given platforms. EON, parent company of Proton essentially got Mitsubishi to invest in Malaysia in order to sell in 3-4 generation old vehicles in that market. The patronage politics that serve EON and many local car companies made it costlier for Malaysians to own better quality vehicles.

After AFTA set in, the Proton brand couldn't shed its corrupt government roots to compete. There was a joint venture that was so close to fruition with Volkswagen that fell through because EON insisted on using its local supply chain. Go figure.

The same thing goes for Chinese companies. They do receive subsidies from the Chinese government because government officials own commercial interests in most of these companies.

**niky** · October 8th, 2012 10:16 PM

We would need to allocate a separate line, mechanisms and moldings for the RHD dashboard and steering assembly. As well as RHD specific headlights and mirrors. That's extra expense.

Yeah... Like I said before... Pride and a false sense of nationalism... Part of Proton's downfall.

Originally Posted by dfopiso

yun palang minimum na 40k units for a single model lang

how about a policy to phaseout our jeepneys by a PHUV. to lower cost to operators, pwede sigurong w/ or w/o aircon option. tapos up to 5 yrs lang pwedeng i-operated. abot kaya ng 40k units per year?

pwede rin sigurong mag consolidate ng taxi model (isa lang). max of 5 yrs din lang operation

Operators would never achieve Return On Investment if they had to buy new Jeeps every five years.

Hell, marginal ka nga kung brand new Jeep ang line mo.

If you want to retire old Jeepneys, buy them from owners and subsidize new lines. Also strictly limit franchise numbers. Then increase fares. Higher fares allow for newer and better jeeps.

Don't ev

**dfopiso** · October 8th, 2012 10:29 PM

^ smells government subsidy ... higher tax or higher fare

baka naman >100% ang benefit/cost ratio

**donbuggy** · October 9th, 2012 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by uls

it's year 2012 and the Phils. still manufactures in right angles

i guess nobody here is investing in machines the can mass produce curves

Dieless NC forming:

Is this process feasible for low volume local manufacturing?

**uls** · October 9th, 2012 11:38 AM

this machine creates a helmet out of a solid piece of aluminum

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbdgUBwKcsg[/ame]

**uls** · October 9th, 2012 11:51 AM

3D printing -- the future of manufacturing

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QP73uTJApw]Zcorp 3D Printer 650 - YouTube[/ame]

**uls** · October 9th, 2012 11:54 AM

in the future you won't need factories with hundreds (or thousands) of workers to produce auto parts

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3D printing gun parts

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqzJlBcCsow[/ame]

3D printing will be the end of factories