R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

**uls** · October 10th, 2012 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by EVO-V

Again, what industry are you from? If you insist on being less than truthful about this simple notion, it will only prove that your authority is based on facts and an overestimation of your opinions' value.

You're either lying to keep your poorly thought out ideas sacrosanct or demonstrating your ability to be constantly misinformed.

lying?

really?

am i lying that locals can only make metal boxes with windows?

^^

hahaha i guess those are definitely lies

my metal-boxes-with-windows comment clearly hit this guy's nerve

**JohnM** · October 10th, 2012 02:42 PM

:popcorn:

**uls** · October 10th, 2012 02:48 PM

^^^

yeah, what else? wiring harnesses...

eto tulungan kita

**EVO-V** · October 10th, 2012 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by uls

lying?

really?

am i lying that locals can only make metal boxes with windows?

^^

hahaha i guess those are definitely lies

my metal-boxes-with-windows comment clearly hit this guy's nerve

Actually yes, you are still lying. But your fixation on these boxy things is rather amateurish. Especially when you evidently know nothing the local companies that do the stamping work for various body parts and panels, injection for bumpers, precision gears, and major transmission components, makes me wonder if even anything would actually appease you.

Do you even know the kind of engineering, management, logistics, quality control and just sheer human effort that goes into orchestrating these highly successful businesses?

We build what can be built here sensibly based on the economics. These utility vehicles' designs are as such to fulfill requirements dictated by the market. They want a low cost rigid body but cannot justify the cost of a full complement of tool and dies with the projected volume, then you go with benders, laser cutting, and welding.

To paraphrase President Clinton..."It's the economics -stupid".

I mean why would we force ourselves to build anything in a way that cannot be fully maximized by the local market? Just to impress people like you? There's a reason why these people earn the big bucks, one of them is the fact that they don't rely on employees that are just absolute downers, and that the bigger picture is that all this is part of progress.

Get on a few factory tours locally, and do the same abroad. You'd understand how silly you really being are. But if you have problems getting an invitation, I will not wonder why. :P

Again what industry are you from, uls? I mean do know you really can't back up your claims with snide remarks and you really think what you see online is the shiznit,

Then again, why are you still on this thread? I thought you're waiting for thousands of redundant workers from factories made redundant by 3D printing to pop up before you do. ;)

At the end of the day, one realizes that if your source of news and opinion is TV Patrol, you can only have so much substance behind your thoughts.

**JohnM** · October 10th, 2012 03:02 PM

If there was money to be made in a locally-designed and developed vehicle then our local conglomerates would have been there already. I would think a gearhead taipan who has a few GT40s in the basement and reportedly one of the first recipients of TWO GT86s would love to have his initials on the grill of his very own car

But no. They're all opening dealerships. And setting up food and shampoo factories.

Can we do it? YES! ROI? Meh.

**EVO-V** · October 10th, 2012 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by JohnM

If there was money to be made in a locally-designed and developed vehicle then our local conglomerates would have been there already. I would think a gearhead taipan who has a few GT40s in the basement and reportedly one of the first recipients of TWO GT86s would love to have his initials on the grill of his very own car

But no. They're all opening dealerships. And setting up food and shampoo factories.

Can we do it? YES! ROI? Meh.

Its all business sense and economics. If you can't make a business case for it, why go into that business?

The rational for any economic entity (supposing rational forces prevail) is to maximize its returns on its investments given their resources and market.

**JohnM** · October 10th, 2012 03:11 PM

So we need:
1. govt support
2. enough demand to justify the initial investment

We already have:
1. tools
2. skills

Gentlemen:

**lowslowbenz** · October 10th, 2012 03:13 PM

opens another bag of popcorn ..

**JohnM** · October 10th, 2012 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by lowslowbenz

opens another bag of popcorn ..

Tataba ka nyan :hysterical:

**EVO-V** · October 10th, 2012 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by JohnM

So we need:
1. govt support
2. enough demand to justify the initial investment

We already have:
1. tools
2. skills

Gentlemen:

If I remember correctly not all those parts are manufactured here, but its not as if this can't be done locally or alternative open sourced designs are not available. The impediment here isn't the unavailability of the manufacturing technology as much as restrictions on licensing.

Gunsmithing is a good example of disciplined manufacturing. Don't confuse that with paltik.

I love the manufacturing process and the science, just not so comfortable having a large firearms industry around given the tendency of such firms to lobby against public interest.

Funny no one's brought up semicon at all given that its 30% of our exports, and that the supporting industries adjacent to it are themselves very noteworthy in terms of skill, discipline, and precision.