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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    I like ULS' statements as a balance to what the "advocates" post here.

    He also gives a level of checks and balance to the unverified claims made.

    Many people might think that the future is all rosy if we all just suddenly go electric but I have a different view. I just find it disturbing that people would accept "green" concepts without thinking deeper & knowing about the "parts" & the "whole".
    but if you try and read between the lines, hindi malinaw, hindi objective. it seemed like he's not just against the "green-ness". parang personal ang tira niya. di maganda ang dating.

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    Good news!
    Local manufacturer of electric jeepney gets good review

    By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio

    (The Philippine Star)
    Updated March 19, 2010 12:00 AM


    http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=66


    MANILA, Philippines - The local eJeepney has received rave reviews from a sustainable mobility and energy consultancy group Eonlux because the makers have decided to use it first as a public transport in order to help people experience the electric vehicle without buying it first.


    “The eJeepney project in the Philippines takes a smarter approach; it makes more sense because it starts with commercial applications like public transportation. Consumers can, at zero risk, gain positive experience with electric vehicles,” Jan Croeni, CEO of Eonlux said.


    The Philippine eJeepney project has received praise from electric vehicles manufacturers from other countries in the recently concluded Electric Vehicles Asia conference held in Hong Kong.


    “There has been a long struggle to promote the use of electric vehicles since the early 1900’s. A century later, we’re finally getting it done.” Rommel Juan of Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines, Inc. (MVPMAP) said.“We are the only ones with an ongoing program.

    We’re ahead since most of them are still in the planning stage and government restrictions are hampering them. Interestingly enough, our lax government regulations are actually helping us,” he added.

    According to Juan, MVPMAP currently focuses more on improving electric vehicles as it plans to scale up the operations of its business arm, Philippine Utility Vehicle Inc. (PhUV Inc.). “We want to get into electric vehicles in a bigger way. We want to develop more electric vehicles for the Philippines. Of course, we also want to be able to provide services to other countries,” he said.

    Recently the use of electric vehicles is gaining ground with the launch of various electric vehicle projects like the one in Puerto Princesa and the Makati Green Route Program featuring the eJeepney.


    Believing that introducing the electric vehicle directly to both commuters and transportation providers directly might prove difficult, the MVPMAP decided to reach out to government agencies to enable the implementation of a pilot program as a “proof of concept.”
    Last edited by jpdm; March 19th, 2010 at 08:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    talk about global warming

    i'm skeptical of that (even before climategate came out)

    the top people behind global warming have an agenda

    they wanna monetize emissions

    (read about emissions trading, cap and trade)

    they wanna create a global standard for trading emissions

    they're forcing all governments on earth to comply (that's what Copenhagen was all about)

    the people behind the global warming agenda have successfully convinced (brainwashed) people that human activity changed the Earth's climate and that we are headed for disaster if we don't cut greenhouse gas emissions

    when emissions trading goes global, it's gonna be BIG

    --

    going green is the in thing now

    it is politically correct to be green

    people have accepted global warming as gospel truth

    people swallowed it hook, line, and sinker

    everyone is now following the green movement

    scary

    people are not questioning it
    k. got where you are. Perhaps global warming is not as worrisome as global dimming that seems to be played down on international media.

    I go with you on questioning global warming figures. However, the feects of global dimming is quite evident. The oil big shots have managed to divert attention from suspended carbon particulates to CO2 emission and methane emissions. Strange that even cow's farts re sensationalized.

    The diversionary tactic of shifting blame on global warming when the actual problem is climate change brought about by global dimming which is an effect of having so much carbon particulates pumped into the atmosphere with all the fossil fuel being burnt.

    The removal of fossil fuel as source of energy for transportation and/or manufacturing certainly would give tremendous losses to the oil companies.

    It's no surprise that the global economic oligarch would protect their incomes by diversionary tactics to minimize the impact of fossil fuel on earth's climate.

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    from the Phil. Star article:

    MANILA, Philippines - The local eJeepney has received rave reviews from a sustainable mobility and energy consultancy group Eonlux because the makers have decided to use it first as a public transport in order to help people experience the electric vehicle without buying it first.

    “The eJeepney project in the Philippines takes a smarter approach; it makes more sense because it starts with commercial applications like public transportation. Consumers can, at zero risk, gain positive experience with electric vehicles,” Jan Croeni, CEO of Eonlux said.
    ^^^

    the Phil. Star article is the same as the Malaya and Manila Times articles

    the story is from months ago

    it's the story the locals told the local media after they came back from the conference in HK

    same story, different newspaper

    months ago, i googled jan creoni and eonlux

    eonlux had a website and jan creoni had a blog where he praised the ejeepney (which the local news articles wrote about)

    if you google "eonlux", "jan creoni eonlux", "jan creoni" now, you can't find the eonlux company website nor anything about jan creoni

    the company and the guy seem questionable

    if you google Zeco that you'll find something (Jan Creoni is managing director of Zeco)

    zecosystems.com

    but the site is under construction

    they tell you to go to greenlots.com

    greenlots is a builder of electric vehicle charging stations

    i don't know what Creoni's relation is to greenlots

    If you're in the business of building EV charging stations, there gotta be lots of EVs running around to create a demand for charging stations

    see where i'm going with this?

    Jan Creoni would naturally praise the ejeepney or any electric vehicle coz it is in his interest dumami ang electric vehicles coz he's in the business of building EV charging stations

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    The Philippine eJeepney project has received praise from electric vehicles manufacturers from other countries in the recently concluded Electric Vehicles Asia conference held in Hong Kong.
    ^^^

    when you go to a conference abroad and there's no media coverage, there's no one there to report about how foreigners praised you

    it would be such a waste if the Filipinos back home didnt know about all the praises you got when you were there

    so when you get back home, you call up the media to tell them about the conference and how the foreigners praised you

    “There has been a long struggle to promote the use of electric vehicles since the early 1900’s. A century later, we’re finally getting it done.” Rommel Juan of Motor Vehicle Parts Manufacturers Association of the Philippines, Inc. (MVPMAP) said.
    ^^^

    in the first place, building EVs wasnt their original objective

    they just didnt succeed in building a commercially viable pinoy utility vehicle

    their pinoy utility vehicle couldnt compete (in price and quality) with what's already in the marketplace

    so they decided to build something with no local competition -- EVs

    now they say they are picking up and continuing the development of EVs left off from a century ago?

    come on

    if they succeeded with their pinoy utility vehicles, they probably wouldn't be in the EV business

    “We are the only ones with an ongoing program. We’re ahead since most of them are still in the planning stage and government restrictions are hampering them. Interestingly enough, our lax government regulations are actually helping us,” he added.
    ^^^

    that's why the Phils. is first to have EVs on public roads

    coz we allow anything that has wheels on public roads

    tricycles, pedicabs, karitons (may plaka pa)

    other countries are very strict when it comes to what they allow on their public roads

    they don't allow golf carts on public roads

    if they allowed golf carts on public roads, there would be golf carts on their roads decades ago, way before the Phils.

    pero syempre, sa Pinas, rules? what rules?

    anyone can build an OTJ in their backyard and drive it on the street in no time

    DOT standards? what standards?

    even if it doesnt have a hood, even if the tail lights arent functioning

    just have it registered... nobody's gonna inspect it

    so is it any surprise the Phils. is the first to have stretched golf carts on public roads?
    Last edited by uls; March 19th, 2010 at 11:04 AM.

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    an article from Jan. 16, 2009

    here, Jan Creoni says there has to be EVs so there would be investment in infrastructure (electric charging stations)

    he's pushing for EVs

    coz he's an investor in the infrastructure

    so expect him to rally behind everyone building EVs

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE50F1AB20090116

    SINGAPORE (Reuters Life!) - A Singaporean firm is importing electric scooters into the small city-state, but they face the challenge of getting locals plugged into the environmentally friendly ride.

    Zeco launched two models of the German-made E-max scooters on Thursday, with a hefty price tag of around S$7,000 ($4,700) each, or two or three times the price of a normal scooter at a time when the Southeast Asian country has slid into a recession.

    The vehicles, which in some ways resemble motorcycles, run on lithium batteries and a motor capable of 7000 watts of power, according to E-max's website.

    Zeco said in a statement that the 90S and 110S, the models it is importing to Singapore, had silicon batteries and have a nominal motor power of 4000 watts.

    The firm said the E-max's price would be offset by savings on fuel, but admitted it be difficult for most riders to find a place to top-up since electric transport hasn't really caught on here and most Singaporeans live in high-rise flats.

    "It's a chicken and egg complex. People first need to know that electric vehicles exist before they would invest in infrastructure for them," said Jan Creoni, the managing director of Zeco.

    Zeco is hoping to sell just 200 scooters this year, targeting postal services or dispatch fleets as well as local bikers.

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    #666
    uls ok ba? Philstar na ha. Hindi lang Malaya and Manila Times

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    Quess this will bolster ULS's point bout the global warming hype:

    http://www.the-green-guide.info/

    Carbon is expected to become one of the world's biggest traded commodities in the next 10 - 20 years, if not the biggest. In fact the big carbon boom, or dot.com equivalent is still to come. The US announced its intention in early 2009 to join the carbon race and has already got a draft bill in the US political system. The New York Times recently ran an article claiming that "carbon will be the world's biggest commodity market, and it could become the world's biggest market overall�. The value of the carbon market doubled and hit $64bn in 2007, from $32bn in 2006. As momentum increases we are potentially looking at a sky rocketing Trillion Dollar industry very soon.

    Large financial institutions have already invested heavily in carbon trading infrastructure in anticipation of mandatory Cap-and-Trade legislation in the United States. Furthermore, a new global Cap-and-Trade system, the Copenhagen Accord, is being drafted to replace the Kyoto Protocol and is expected to be signed in Denmark later this year.

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    Looks a bit similar to the swine flu hype and other such sensationalized media hype related to some products or services that of course comes from the country that gave us the saying,"There's one born every minute" this refers to suckers.

    There is no need for such carbon trading, what we need is action to lessen if not eliminate dumping more carbon particulates to suspend in our atmosphere that attracts water molecules and disrupts the natural rainfall that use to be quite regular and wide spread on more even measurements.

    We now have such deluge as what Ondoy dumped and formerly unheard of droughts as water that should have been still suspended have fallen and replacement via evaporation has been lessened by 10% as from the past two decades measurements with the global dimming caused by the suspended carbon particulates.

    It's this reduction if not elimination of dumping more carbon particulates into earth's atmosphere is what is truly important to address and the E-jeepney certainly is a significant event that has in fact now is at the forefront of revolutionizing the public transport system to actually starting off a zero carbon particulates emission in this sector that in the Philippines is definitely the worse sector guilty of tremendous amounts of dumping carbon particulates into the atmosphere with the horrid numbers of smoke belching public transport vehicles plying the transport routes all over the country..
    Last edited by ghosthunter; March 19th, 2010 at 02:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    an article from Jan. 16, 2009

    here, Jan Creoni says there has to be EVs so there would be investment in infrastructure (electric charging stations)

    he's pushing for EVs

    coz he's an investor in the infrastructure

    so expect him to rally behind everyone building EVs

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE50F1AB20090116
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    There's more than one way to skin a cat.

    What do you propose other than cut down someone else who's working his ass out to do something about the environment problem.

    It's natural for people to be motivated by self-interest, Within limits this is what makes ideas develop and progress is made.

    There are people though whom I know of who are silently working on e-vehicles basically not for enriching commercial purposes but just for simply surviving.

    They certainly can get ideas from others who are motivated with self-interest as these guy's motivation strength may be greater than those who are on to simply survival or perhaps can be wrong on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romski123 View Post
    uls ok ba? Philstar na ha. Hindi lang Malaya and Manila Times
    hehe

    congrats


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    hehe

    congrats

    hehe thank yu

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