audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

about po dun sa v12 amps..

hindi po sirain ang v12 amps nasa gumagamit parin po yan kahit gaano pa yan kamahal kung hindi mo naman iniingatan eh wala rin..

marami po akong kilalang mga naka v12 amps na taon narin ang binilang at hindi pa naman nasisira ako mismo naka v12 amp at wala naman akong sakit ng ulo.

nasa gumagamit parin po yan.

True in a way. However, don't expect too much. V12 amps generate excess heat rather than translate these into power.. if you can go for quality amps, go for them instead.

[iamaissa]

Do you guys know how to change the rear speakers of a 1996 honda civic VTi? I want to do it myself so that I can save. hehehe. thanks in advance.

[tsikotshop]

First, you have to remove the backset, and the rear pillars in order to remove the rear dashboard, then you have the access to the speakers, there is a wire going to the third brake light, so you have to remove the socket first to finally remove the dashboard, you save 350 pesos by doing it yourself, goodluck!!

[Snoop23]

True in a way. However, don't expect too much. V12 amps generate excess heat rather than translate these into power.. if you can go for quality amps, go for them instead.

i know someone from cavite who nailed a decent 141db using a v12 710 and 2 pcs 15 inch targa not bad considering that its way cheaper than those well known brands. =)

[jhnkvn]

i know someone from cavite who nailed a decent 141db using a v12 710 and 2 pcs 15 inch targa not bad considering that its way cheaper than those well known brands. =)

If it's for SPL, I won't complain about it. But if it's for SQ, that's another thing wholeheartedly. Besides, what I emphasize is a V12's lack of quality materials. The analogy is like that of an engine: You can take a GT-R's engine and let it run at 7000RPM continuously. You can then take the Vios engine and then run it at 7000RPM. Can the Vios take it? Yes. The question is... how long? And that's what I'm trying to get to.

I know many car audio enthusiasts started out with a V12. My friend did and he loved every moment of it. However, it is for a fact that in the realm of car audio, what you pay is what you get (let's say they're all equally tuned to sound good).

[Snoop23]

how about the vios made by sun x before using straight v12 and targa sir? (sq champion) even beat the high end brands.

[jhnkvn]

how about the vios made by sun x before using straight v12 and targa sir? (sq champion) even beat the high end brands.

Which competition? I could easily enter my car and win any other SQ competition. Sadly, not all audio competitions are "SQ-grade". Best stick with the big ones if you know what I mean ;) Targa's really good once tuned, in fact I could say that out of all budget setups, Targa and Dominations show their best after tuning and could topple even higher-classed brands (I also like JBL amps). But if you try entering EMMA or the previous IASCA with a V12 and a Targa, I highly doubt it would win even in the 60k category.

But that's really interesting. Kudos to Eric if that so.

[tsikotshop]

Two things are even, but need to be know what was right, here is what i have to say as a pair for the people who really need a good information...
There seems to be a never ending stream of advice when it comes to car audio. Some of it is good but much of it is bad. Some of it is very bad. The real problem is those that need good information the most have the hardest time determining what is bad information. I've picked out some of what I believe to be the most common sources of bad information.
Forums

In my opinion the worst offender of bad advice comes from forums. On a forum you have no idea who people are, their background or what qualifies them to give any kind of advice. The post count by their made up username doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. It only means that they like to talk. They might throw their two cents in even when they're totally clueless on the subject. I'm sure you know people in real life that are just like that. Well those people have computers and an Internet connection too.
Always keep in mind that you almost never know who the person is behind the forum name. There are very few true experts on most forums. Mainly because they don't have time to fight with every know-it-all that chimes in with "the answer". There are plenty of posts that say things like "XYZ sucks. My friend built a box for two of their subs and it sounded terrible". Well, maybe your friend's an idiot. Did he build the box to the right size? Did he even know what size to build it? Did he brace and seal it properly? What kind of material did he use and how thick was it? No one tells you those details. They just say don't buy it and move on to crap on another post.
One of my favorites that I see come up again and again deals with fiberglass layers. It usually starts with someone asking "How thick should my fiberglass box be?". That usually follows with someone saying it should be 3/4" thick. Why did they say it should be that thick? Because somewhere along the line they were told that subwoofer boxes should be 3/4" thick. Well, that may be somewhat true if the enclosure is large and made out of MDF but it has nothing to do with fiberglass since they're two completely different materials. And even with MDF that's just a guideline that varies with many other factors. Then someone else will come in and say it should be seven layers or twelve layers or whatever they used the one time they made a fiberglass box. That information probably has nothing to do with the project being discussed. The number of layers or thickness of a fiberglass enclosure depends on many things and answering the question without knowing these factors is a the same as guessing.
My other favorite is whether a subwoofer box with multiple woofers needs to be divided. There are guys who are absolutely convinced that a subwoofer box needs to be divided if there is more than one woofer in it. Others are convinced of just the opposite. So who do you listen to if you don't know the answer? The one who posts the most or the one who YELLS the most? If there are four answers and only one is right how would you know? What if they're all wrong? That's the problem with forums. You don't know who is right, who is wrong or even who anyone is. You get the most "rank" in a forum by posting the most responses and not for posting the most accurate responses. Keep that in mind when you feel compelled to believe someone simply because they have a bunch of stars under their made up forum name. If a member answers your question ask them to say why they think what they wrote. Hopefully there is some real information behind it and not just because "I heard it on another forum" or "some guy at a shop told me that".
For any source of information ask yourself what the person has to lose if they lie or are wrong. If the answer is nothing or very little then they may not be putting much effort or truth into the advice they're giving you.
Putting an idea is not bad, but guessing an idea is not correct, bakit mo sinabi na, walang set up na maganda pag mura ang budget mo? Meron, kase nasa installer yun, paano ka sasali sa EMMA kung V-12 at targa ang gamit mo, i don't know even if they pass in international standards of car audio, terminals pa lang nun, patay ka na e..
Help the people to know basic, not to push them what somone know and start arguing right or not, let them know what is the right thing to start with and came up and say to us, "yeah your right".. peace..

[jhnkvn]

Hehe, huli. I apologize tsikotshop, I got carried away. Actually, I realized the mistake after re-reading the conversation flow but since hindi ko na ma-edit, hinayaan ko nalang as this is was a brief exchange of opinions. Again, I stand that go for good quality amps. Alpine 710 may seem good, but there are better ones out there with better built components (with a price too). You can reach a loud dB level over it, but economically, it wouldn't like that in the long run. Last thing I want is somebody being fooled again by the 4000W rating, doing 100+dB and then seeing the poor bloke shy away from car audio.

[mouse25]

Ayan na, going Loud n Clear na si sir Mouse nice to meet you kanina pare..

Bro, sorry ngayon ku lang nakita to. Hehe. Thanks tol. Text text nalang :D