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    First is that please DO NOT buy Focal products over at sulit.com. Most of them (more than 90% actually) are fakes.

    Yes. Kung walang tweeter attentuation, you can always opt to -1 the treble. In most cases, there's simply two things on why a tweeter sounds "harsh". One is that it's way above level -- in other words.. masyado siya malakas at emphasized. And two is that the tweeter is distorting and our ears equate that as harshness.

    In the realm of speaker construction, I dunno how these speakers can be harsh by a long margin really. Unless pangit talaga pag-construct ng speaker designs nila. Coming from me, one of the main things I look for in judging a tweeter to be harsh is its materials. The reason why Focal is considered "bright" by many stems due to its metal dome tweeters. On the otherhand, silk dome tweeters are cheaper, easier to tune, easier to get right, but roll off earlier and contribute a "warm" sound. This is why a lot of speaker manufactures love silk dome tweeters (Morel, DLS, Dynaudio amongst the bigger ones).

    JBL on the otherhand is famous for a unique "tweeter": compression loaded horns.

    Sa totoo lang, you'll lean towards a certain sound eventually. But unless you've listened to a lot of systems, you probably won't know where you are.

    P.S. I'm a bit biased on warmth. This is why in hi-fi, I prefer Dynaudios over Focal-JMLabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    First is that please DO NOT buy Focal products over at sulit.com. Most of them (more than 90% actually) are fakes.

    Yes. Kung walang tweeter attentuation, you can always opt to -1 the treble. In most cases, there's simply two things on why a tweeter sounds "harsh". One is that it's way above level -- in other words.. masyado siya malakas at emphasized. And two is that the tweeter is distorting and our ears equate that as harshness.

    In the realm of speaker construction, I dunno how these speakers can be harsh by a long margin really. Unless pangit talaga pag-construct ng speaker designs nila. Coming from me, one of the main things I look for in judging a tweeter to be harsh is its materials. The reason why Focal is considered "bright" by many stems due to its metal dome tweeters. On the otherhand, silk dome tweeters are cheaper, easier to tune, easier to get right, but roll off earlier and contribute a "warm" sound. This is why a lot of speaker manufactures love silk dome tweeters (Morel, DLS, Dynaudio amongst the bigger ones).

    JBL on the otherhand is famous for a unique "tweeter": compression loaded horns.

    Sa totoo lang, you'll lean towards a certain sound eventually. But unless you've listened to a lot of systems, you probably won't know where you are.

    P.S. I'm a bit biased on warmth. This is why in hi-fi, I prefer Dynaudios over Focal-JMLabs.
    Hehe. Okay. So eliminate ko na si dls. Hhmmm. Limited na rin budget ko for amp. Around 6k lang. Naghanap ako. And i found JBL a604 for 6.5k. Kaso rated RMS ay 60w lang. Morels and jbl 609c are 90w. I know di naman siya magagamit fully pero di kaya ako mabitin if i want to crank up the volume paminsan minsan?

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    May nagsabi sakin na friend ko na 10k lang daw un Morel Tempo. Naguluhan tuloy ako lalo and thinking if I would go for the Tempo and close my eyes. hehe. Pikit mata ko siyang bibilhin nalang. and hope na makakuha ng pamasko totaling to 8.5k para makabili ng JBL 804ez (80w x 4) or any good amp for 8k na masusuggest niyo. Is my 3k extra worth it for the Tempo over the Maximo? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedp5 View Post
    May nagsabi sakin na friend ko na 10k lang daw un Morel Tempo. Naguluhan tuloy ako lalo and thinking if I would go for the Tempo and close my eyes. hehe. Pikit mata ko siyang bibilhin nalang. and hope na makakuha ng pamasko totaling to 8.5k para makabili ng JBL 804ez (80w x 4) or any good amp for 8k na masusuggest niyo. Is my 3k extra worth it for the Tempo over the Maximo? Thanks.
    It will follow the law of diminishing returns na once you go "up". However, for me, the extra 3k is worth it in gong from the Maximo to the Tempo. I always found the Tempo to be a great speaker set for its price.

    For the amplifier power questions:

    Mabibitin ka ba? No. Although I don't know your listening volume so.. baka mabitin ka. But if you were to ask me outright.. I'll say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    It will follow the law of diminishing returns na once you go "up". However, for me, the extra 3k is worth it in gong from the Maximo to the Tempo. I always found the Tempo to be a great speaker set for its price.

    For the amplifier power questions:

    Mabibitin ka ba? No. Although I don't know your listening volume so.. baka mabitin ka. But if you were to ask me outright.. I'll say no.
    Nice. Thanks for that. So maybe I'll go for the tempo. But around 12k, (iverify ko pa price ng tempo today) best ba un morel tempo? May inooffer sakin sundown audio cs 6.5 for 12.5k. Ok ba to?

    Siguro una ko na bibilin un jbl 804ez para flexible un seps ko. Actually may lightning audio pa for around 8500. Mas ok ba un kesa sa jbl? And also, hindi po ba medyo mababa un 80w per channel kung sakaling mag morel tempo ako? Kasi 120w ata un. And 80% nun ay 96. Kaya parang mababa ata masyado?

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    60W is enough for most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    60W is enough for most people.
    Is this good?

    Morel tempo + JBL gt5 A604
    Or
    Morel maximo + JBL 804ez

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    The Tempo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    The Tempo.
    appreciate it! Thanks sir!

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