audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

tnx sa post ni jhnkvn about deadening and asphalt material.

Audiomax Pro Damper ang brand na pinainstall ko sa Maizone. Naghahanap ako ng unbranded cheap OEM Butyl wala daw puro asphalt lang from candyshop,c3,jaffaz, etc.

Asphalt ba si Audiomax? I kinda forgot na kasi

For asphalt deadeners, I will try to minimize my contact with the sun. In other words, try to have shaded parking as much as possible. Because asphalt literally turns semi-liquid on your door panels if you bake the doors on the sun (alam naman natin kung gaano ka init ang car body kung binabad lang sa araw). Once the time you need to remove your doors and depending on how the asphalt condition, expect it to turn into a smelly and messy removal.

I'm not trying to scare people here just laying down the facts. If let's say you're stuck in 1pm Quiapo traffic with a very nice sun and you smell something while inside the car.. don't panic (well maybe except if it smells like smoke).. if it smells a bit funny (it's hard to describe.. google mo nalang), that's probably your asphalt sheets.

[jhnkvn]

Panalo ka Sir jhnkvn!

How much budget is enough for a decent SQ setup for my car? Please guide me sir.

Here are my plans:
1. Head Unit = Pioneer 4450BT, Question: Can I go wrong with rhis head unit when it comes to SQ?
2. Separates = GTO609
3. Amps for Separates (I still don't have any ideas, Sound Magus? Etc? ) Can you suggest one?

Thank you sir jhnkvn!

For a budget, just focus on tonality. We can forgive zero imaging, zero staging.. but if it sounds horrible.. we all get angry.

Your head unit has a built-in amplifier on it. If you plan on playing loudly, get an external amplifier. If you plan on doing background listening, just use the head unit. An amplifier does what it does -- it amplifies.

Sa totoo, I'm not fickle with amplifiers. People know this of me in car audio circles that's why I have difficulty in recommending amplifiers. Since naka JBL GTO ka na, might as well go full-JBL. What people's "usual" setup is a 4-channel amplifier and a subwoofer (I highly recommend the JBL 12" GT5 subwoofer on a 1 cubic feet (volume) enclosure to save space). Out of the 4-channels, they use two channels for the front left and right speakers and 2-channels (bridged for more power) for the subwoofer.

[jhnkvn]

Sir jhnkvn pahelp naman po. Currently meron akong pioneer 2din HU tsaka jbl 12in subs. And kinetic dynamic kd6 seps. I know it may be not good seps. Sabi kasi sakin nung pinagkuhanan ko is maganda un sound niya like higher end brands na daw. Un amplifier ko is lightning lab am480. Kaso nasira na and i need to change it. Kukuha sana ako sa states ng amp kasi uuwi un mom ko. Suggestions naman po sa budget amp. And probably seps na mura and maganda na rin. Siguro un seps around 4-5k.

Eto mga nakita ko na amp. Baka may idea kayo if sulit kung makuha ko sa price niya sa states kasi di ko alam kung magkano sila dito.

JL audio jx360/4 php6500
medyo mahal pero kung malaki ang difference than rockford fosgate and justified un pagkamahal niya over sa iba, then sige.
JL Audio, USA - JX360/4

Rockford fosgate r300x4 around php5000
Rockford Fosgate R300X4 Prime 4-Channel Amplifier:Amazon:Car Electronics

There's no such thing as a bad "properly designed" speaker. Whether this is affordable or expensive. You simply pay for a speaker for its potential to sound good. It's like.. (well, if we have ladies in the house..) makeup. Affordable and expensive make-up isn't really night and day but the more expensive one has better potential. Kung pangit mukha mo, kahit ano gawin mo pangit ka sa majority (the minority will simply use the "eye of the beholder" excuse bwahaha..) Just look at how many South Koreans are undergoing plastic surgery.

If you're getting JL Audio and Rockfords galing States.. talagang sulit yan. This is because goods coming from the US is expensive in the car audio world thanks to shipping, taxes, and distributor profits. Between the two, I'll get the Rockford. I'm a fan of the JL Audio.. but I'm only limited to the high-end HD lineup ;)

If you want MY recommendation and you want to use Amazon as a baseline, voila! [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Rockford-Fosgate-R400-4D-Full-Range-4-Channel/dp/B004T0WFVE/ref=sr_1_10?s=car&ie=UTF8&qid=1385752705&sr=1-10#productDetails]Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate R400-4D 400 Watt Full-Range Class-D 4-Channel Amplifier: Car Electronics[/ame]

Class D topologies nowadays are very advanced.. you don't need to worry over them. If some idiot in Banawe tells you maspangit sila, tell them sabi ko maganda In a car, they are THE preferred topology is because of efficiency. That's why kahit ang liit niya, it throws more power than your recommendations. How? Read on.

It's because they're efficient in how they convert electrical energy into mechanical energy. So yeah.. you save energy.. which WILL benefit you by..

In a car that has its engine on.. the energy is supplied by your alternator. If you pose a lower load sa alternator mo, it won't work as hard. Which means.... better fuel efficiency. Maliit lang though.. like 50 pesos a week lang siguro or something (that's a wild estimate btw) but it adds up. If you want a comparison.. in the world of desktop power supplies, isipin mo 80PLUS Gold certified ka versus... wala.. 60% efficient na PSU.

[mikedp5]

There's no such thing as a bad "properly designed" speaker. Whether this is affordable or expensive. You simply pay for a speaker for its potential to sound good. It's like.. (well, if we have ladies in the house..) makeup. Affordable and expensive make-up isn't really night and day but the more expensive one has better potential. Kung pangit mukha mo, kahit ano gawin mo pangit ka sa majority (the minority will simply use the "eye of the beholder" excuse bwahaha..) Just look at how many South Koreans are undergoing plastic surgery.

If you're getting JL Audio and Rockfords galing States.. talagang sulit yan. This is because goods coming from the US is expensive in the car audio world thanks to shipping, taxes, and distributor profits. Between the two, I'll get the Rockford. I'm a fan of the JL Audio.. but I'm only limited to the high-end HD lineup ;)

If you want MY recommendation and you want to use Amazon as a baseline, voila! Amazon.com: Rockford Fosgate R400-4D 400 Watt Full-Range Class-D 4-Channel Amplifier: Car Electronics

Class D topologies nowadays are very advanced.. you don't need to worry over them. If some idiot in Banawe tells you maspangit sila, tell them sabi ko maganda In a car, they are THE preferred topology is because of efficiency. That's why kahit ang liit niya, it throws more power than your recommendations. How? Read on.

It's because they're efficient in how they convert electrical energy into mechanical energy. So yeah.. you save energy.. which WILL benefit you by..

In a car that has its engine on.. the energy is supplied by your alternator. If you pose a lower load sa alternator mo, it won't work as hard. Which means.... better fuel efficiency. Maliit lang though.. like 50 pesos a week lang siguro or something (that's a wild estimate btw) but it adds up. If you want a comparison.. in the world of desktop power supplies, isipin mo 80PLUS Gold certified ka versus... wala.. 60% efficient na PSU.

Wow! Thanks sa reply. Malaki po ba difference nitong class D r400 sa class A/B na r300? In terms of un sound quality? And enough po ba un specs niya to power kinetic kd6 and sub? Sabi kasi un speakers ko is 80w rms daw. Un sa r400 is enough siguro kasi 75w rms un. Pero if un r300, 50w rms lang, enough po ba un? Difference is about 10% efficiency ata between the 2 at 4-oms.

And also, so un jl audio is hindi maganda compared sa rockford fosgate kasi hindi from the HD lineup?

[jhnkvn]

Wow! Thanks sa reply. Malaki po ba difference nitong class D r400 sa class A/B na r300? In terms of un sound quality? And enough po ba un specs niya to power kinetic kd6 and sub? Sabi kasi un speakers ko is 80w rms daw. Un sa r400 is enough siguro kasi 75w rms un. Pero if un r300, 50w rms lang, enough po ba un? Difference is about 10% efficiency ata between the 2 at 4-oms.

And also, so un jl audio is hindi maganda compared sa rockford fosgate kasi hindi from the HD lineup?

Pay no regard to RMS ratings. They don't accurately tell you how much power you need. They simply tell you "how much power can I eat before I get damaged".

When listening to background music, you're using less than 20W. 75W is more than enough for most people.

JL Audio is well-reputed.. however masgusto ko si Rockford when it comes to the more wallet-friendly prices. The JL HD-series however is one of my more favorite amplifiers. Small footprint, lots of power, lots of channels too, and it's very efficient -- too bad it costs something like 70k locally.

[X-salta]

For a budget, just focus on tonality. We can forgive zero imaging, zero staging.. but if it sounds horrible.. we all get angry.

Your head unit has a built-in amplifier on it. If you plan on playing loudly, get an external amplifier. If you plan on doing background listening, just use the head unit. An amplifier does what it does -- it amplifies.

Sa totoo, I'm not fickle with amplifiers. People know this of me in car audio circles that's why I have difficulty in recommending amplifiers. Since naka JBL GTO ka na, might as well go full-JBL. What people's "usual" setup is a 4-channel amplifier and a subwoofer (I highly recommend the JBL 12" GT5 subwoofer on a 1 cubic feet (volume) enclosure to save space). Out of the 4-channels, they use two channels for the front left and right speakers and 2-channels (bridged for more power) for the subwoofer.

Salamat po sir, so habang wala pa akong pambili ng subs and ampli pede na muna ang head unit and yung separates na preferred ko? Malaking tulong ka sir! Sa uulitin ha :-)


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[mikedp5]

Pay no regard to RMS ratings. They don't accurately tell you how much power you need. They simply tell you "how much power can I eat before I get damaged".

When listening to background music, you're using less than 20W. 75W is more than enough for most people.

JL Audio is well-reputed.. however masgusto ko si Rockford when it comes to the more wallet-friendly prices. The JL HD-series however is one of my more favorite amplifiers. Small footprint, lots of power, lots of channels too, and it's very efficient -- too bad it costs something like 70k locally.

May idea po ba kayo how much un r300x4 dito or un r400-d4 ng rockford? And also sa sound quality between these 3 (rockford fosgate r300, r400, jl audio jx360/4), may difference ba sila? How big?

[RC-V]

Asphalt ba si Audiomax? I kinda forgot na kasi

Butyl yung Audiomax, talagang naghanap ako ng hindi asphalt, para na din sa durability sa hot weather natin tuwing summer kahit medyo costly. 700~800/sheet Audiomax (butyl w/aluminum sheet) yung mga nacanvass ko not including labor.

btw 5 sheets nagamit.

[mikedp5]

anyone knows kung ano un quality ng sound deadener na kinakabit ni sir jeff tan? di ko kasi alam na may mga qualities pa pala to. So I could know if asphalt un para I could take caution sa init ng araw. He charged me 1800 for a pair of front doors. anyone knows? thanks.

[RC-V]

yung Acoustic Pad na brand na gamit nya nakalagay sa sulit Asphalt daw ito. Baka mayroon pa siyang other brand na hindi asphalt.


nakalagay sa sulit from tedtamayo

* Odorless kasi asphalt made at dumaan sa tamang process, di tulad ng butyl deadening na purely made of rubber mabaho pag nainitan,,,,,

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