MILF vs. SAF Maguindanao Encounter Death Toll now at 49

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

sir, "floor" does not mean political leaning, payroll, or similar whatnot.
floor means, "what are you thinking of? what are you driving at?"... the google on the rajah is not a very small listing..

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sir, "floor" does not mean political leaning, payroll, or similar whatnot.
floor means, "what are you thinking of? what are you driving at?"... the google on the rajah is not a very small listing..

what I'm trying to drive at sir is that, before the spaniards came, rajah solayman was the ruler of kingdom of manila, according to history.

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 01:48 PM

this is good. intellectual discussion. Oliver wendell Holmes said it best: the ultimate good desired is better reached thru free trade of ideas.
we are proceeding in the right direction

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

what I'm trying to drive at sir is that, before the spaniards came, rajah solayman was the ruler of kingdom of manila, according to history.

just a minor critique...
you could have said that much earlier.. it would have saved a lot of airtime.
but you are being too kind.. solayman was traitored by the iberians. their so-called "revolt", was simply an attempt to get back what was theirs in the first place.
but, thanks for responding.

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

just a minor critique...
you could have said that much earlier.. it would have saved a lot of airtime.
but you are being too kind.. solayman was traitored by the iberians. their so-called "revolt", was simply an attempt to get back what was theirs in the first place.
but, thanks for responding.

i don't want people to take my word at face value, especially here. i want them to know first hand. if history is written by the victors then what is written about rajah solayman could be believed because he was routed by the iberians when they came. that was the beginning of the narrative history until it culminated in corrigidor.

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

i don't want people to take my word at face value, especially here. i want them to know first hand. if history is written by the victors then what is written about rajah solayman could be believed because he was routed by the iberians when they came. that was the beginning of the narrative history until it culminated in corrigidor.

come to think of it...
in all the spanish colonies come and gone, were they welcome in any one of them?

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

come to think of it...
in all the spanish colonies come and gone, were they welcome in any one of them?

anyway, whatever, personally i have no love lost to colonizers. but my belief or any one's belief, does not matter. but we do need to put things in proper perspective so that, i now sound like a broken record, we can come up with a solution to the insurgency problem in Mindanao.

**ClaNker** · February 14th, 2015 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Teka, bakit nasama Palawan. 10% lang sila rito, dayo pa. Mindanao lang sa kanila, hindi puwede at hindi mangyayari na mapunta Palawan sa ARMM or Mindanao. 100% sure ako dyan.

Alam ko yan, pero yan ang ambisyon nila eh. first MNLF then may breakaway MILF after that meron nanaman yang ibang grupo.

**ClaNker** · February 14th, 2015 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

it is like choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea, especially we have a group who now wanted nothing more than a substate.

That's true.

**macsd** · February 14th, 2015 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

do you know that Cotabato, either the south or north or the city, is not even part of armm?

Quite ironic as during the first term of Marcos, Cotabato was the only center of Mindanao conflict with muslims vs ilagas. The Dimaporos were the only politican clan and warlord then. Sulu & Tawi-Tawi was heaven of pirates & smugglers. Zamboanga was called the barter capital & city of flowers.

Originally Posted by dr. d

i did.
and, to be true, i do not know if we are on the same floor.
so save me the trouble, and just tell me, sir.

According to Zaide, the Filipino came from the Malay race. Magellan landed in Mactan Island, but if you look at how Lapu-Lapu is projected , does he look Cebuano ? And so is Solaiman, he doesn't look like of any Manila boy. To who's costume are their attire attributed to?

I missed who's presidency was that whether of Quirino or Magsaysay that pushed for the migration of people from Luzon & Visayas for the building of Mindanao.

Quoted from RT :

The quality of generals in an army matches the quality of leadership of their commander in chief.

But what do you expect from a commander in chief whose idea of war he only learned from war games on the Internet. The President should stop playing these games.

**Ry_Tower** · February 14th, 2015 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by ClaNker

Alam ko yan, pero yan ang ambisyon nila eh. first MNLF then may breakaway MILF after that meron nanaman yang ibang grupo.

Oo nga kulit nila. Gas and oil fields din habol nila. 3beses na nga natalo sa referendum eh. Kaya tingin ko hindi ma-aannex Palawan kasi nga napatunayan na before na ayaw nang vast majority nang tao dito na masama sa ARMM.