MILF vs. SAF Maguindanao Encounter Death Toll now at 49

[shelu]

being bron and raised in mindanao, i can still recall how society have changed. our muslim neighbors are kind and accomodating. they are kind people but younger generations changed a lot due to this hatred campaign against infidels, non-muslims. old muslim people we used to know are peace-loving people. all they need is a peaceful place to start a business. the problem really in mindanao is a social problem. it cannot be solved by political means as it is a social problem. pioneers in this line of thinking was the famous toto paglas of the paglas clan in cotabato areas. he was instrumental in opening the armm area for economic activities. cotabato cannot be called as central mindanao for nothing. it is the most fertile, highly potential area for growth. everybody knows it is rich in oil, specifically that liguasan marsh where the saf44 incident happened. all the government has to do is to support the initiative of our muslim brothers for economic development, as it is the only way to solve the mindanao problem. BBL? i dont think it will solved the problem. just simply increase the economic activity by providing infrastructure and people will have to think twice. these people are like us, who wants trouble when we have steady source of livelihood? just my 2 cents.

[shelu]

being born and raised in mindanao, i can still recall how society have changed. our muslim neighbors are kind and accomodating. they are kind people but younger generations changed a lot due to this hatred campaign against infidels, non-muslims. old muslim people we used to know are peace-loving people. all they need is a peaceful place to start a business. the problem really in mindanao is a social problem. it cannot be solved by political means as it is a social problem. pioneers in this line of thinking was the famous toto paglas of the paglas clan in cotabato areas. he was instrumental in opening the armm area for economic activities. cotabato cannot be called as central mindanao for nothing. it is the most fertile, highly potential area for growth. everybody knows it is rich in oil, specifically that liguasan marsh where the saf44 incident happened. all the government has to do is to support the initiative of our muslim brothers for economic development, as it is the only way to solve the mindanao problem. BBL? i dont think it will solved the problem. just simply increase the economic activity by providing infrastructure and people will have to think twice. these people are like us, who wants trouble when we have steady source of livelihood? just my 2 cents.

[ClaNker]

being born and raised in mindanao, i can still recall how society have changed. our muslim neighbors are kind and accomodating. they are kind people but younger generations changed a lot due to this hatred campaign against infidels, non-muslims. old muslim people we used to know are peace-loving people. all they need is a peaceful place to start a business. the problem really in mindanao is a social problem. it cannot be solved by political means as it is a social problem. pioneers in this line of thinking was the famous toto paglas of the paglas clan in cotabato areas. he was instrumental in opening the armm area for economic activities. cotabato cannot be called as central mindanao for nothing. it is the most fertile, highly potential area for growth. everybody knows it is rich in oil, specifically that liguasan marsh where the saf44 incident happened. all the government has to do is to support the initiative of our muslim brothers for economic development, as it is the only way to solve the mindanao problem. BBL? i dont think it will solved the problem. just simply increase the economic activity by providing infrastructure and people will have to think twice. these people are like us, who wants trouble when we have steady source of livelihood? just my 2 cents.

Mga Maranao ang mga yan. Sa Christian area nag sisimula ang mga small time na mga yan dahil mahirap sa Muslim dominated area because of the Datu System. Ibang usapan pag Tausog.

Cotabato? Walang potential for growth dyan.

Social problem? Walang sagot sa social problem ang Islam. They're pushing pa nga for Shiria Law diba.

Lastly they're not like us.

[kisshmet]

Not applicable if the other side thinks theocracy is the only way to go, is intolerant, and interprets their scriptures in such a way as to justify exterminating members of competing beliefs.

Hint: the act of strapping on explosives to enter "valhalla" should be more than enough to teach you this very simple truth.

The americans armed with the mightiest sword FAILED to subdue the talibans

Heck the americans spent trillions of dollars & still failed to subdue the talibans

Money is a scarce resource that our country dont have. All out offensive is an option even the SAF44 wouldnt expect us to take. They volunteered in a suicide mission hoping their ultimate sacrifice would lead to peace

We caught the subversives are cheating..the ensuing encounter even showed their brutality..its up to us to take moral high ground & tread the path towards peace

Unleashing HELL with an all out offensive is contrary to the wishes of those who made the ultimate sacrifice in all the conflicts in mindanao. Bravado just serve an ego of one man & the bang of an explosive will certainly result in counting the body bags. The king of jordan displayed braggadocio after his pilot was burned & resulted in the death of an american hostage in the hands of radicals

Learn from history, even marcos engaged the moro subversives in a protracted war & it ended up in a peace agreement, well known as "tripoli agreement"

[machine.pistol]

How do we solve the Moro problem in Mindanao? I don't know. But read this: there are only 3 universal banks in Marawi: DBP, LBP and PNB. The only private bank there has 2 mounted machine guns inside. That I was told by a friend.

[Ry_Tower]

Confidential findings. joint assessment of NICA, ISAFP, ISG, CIA and Homeland confirmed the presence of terrorist individuals existing in the Philippines longer than the existence of JI and Al Qaeda, and they are considered more brutal than ISIS...
















They are known as MISIS.


Happy valentines!

[dr. d]

Quite ironic as during the first term of Marcos, Cotabato was the only center of Mindanao conflict with muslims vs ilagas. The Dimaporos were the only politican clan and warlord then. Sulu & Tawi-Tawi was heaven of pirates & smugglers. Zamboanga was called the barter capital & city of flowers.



According to Zaide, the Filipino came from the Malay race. Magellan landed in Mactan Island, but if you look at how Lapu-Lapu is projected , does he look Cebuano ? And so is Solaiman, he doesn't look like of any Manila boy. To who's costume are their attire attributed to?

I missed who's presidency was that whether of Quirino or Magsaysay that pushed for the migration of people from Luzon & Visayas for the building of Mindanao.


Quoted from RT :

The quality of generals in an army matches the quality of leadership of their commander in chief.

But what do you expect from a commander in chief whose idea of war he only learned from war games on the Internet. The President should stop playing these games.

whether anyone likes it or not, the president is required to play these war games. he is the commander in chief.
but he should surround himself with good and able generals.

what does the cebuano look like? what does the manila boy look like? i don't know. the history book is written by the winners, to reflect their whims and fancies.

[Juan Martinez]

how do we solve the insurgency problem in Mindanao?

the answer of this question could not be had without at least even knowing what precipitated this insurgency. we need to at least inform or educate ourselves our history as a Filipino people. for better understanding, we need to at least understand the history of the communist movement starting from Luis taruc who formed the hukbalahap then the communist party of the Philippines of joma sison. then we need to educate ourselves of the history of muslim in the Philippines even starting during the pre-hispanic times. we need to inform ourselves of the history of the mnlf, milf, and the biff. the personalities involved and what they are fighting for. all at the same time keeping an open mind because to talk a person who does not have it "is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."
I respectfully request the people here to do just that. that's the only way to get the answer. like anything else, with all due respect, little knowledge is very dangerous. all these informations are available at our fingertips. it is only a matter of reading. And reading, according to Francis bacon, maketh a full man.
only then we are thoroughly informed can we make an informed judgment.

[vinj]

how do we solve the insurgency problem in Mindanao?

the answer of this question could not be had without at least even knowing what precipitated this insurgency. we need to at least inform or educate ourselves our history as a Filipino people. for better understanding, we need to at least understand the history of the communist movement starting from Luis taruc who formed the hukbalahap then the communist party of the Philippines of joma sison. then we need to educate ourselves of the history of muslim in the Philippines even starting during the pre-hispanic times. we need to inform ourselves of the history of the mnlf, milf, and the biff. the personalities involved and what they are fighting for. all at the same time keeping an open mind because to talk a person who does not have it "is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."
I respectfully request the people here to do just that. that's the only way to get the answer. like anything else, with all due respect, little knowledge is very dangerous. all these informations are available at our fingertips. it is only a matter of reading. And reading, according to Francis bacon, maketh a full man.
only then we are thoroughly informed can we make an informed judgment.

That is a lot for the common person to know fully but i do hope that those powers that be, those who are in the position to make the changes, really do their homework to have a feel of what might just work, and not just act on their own vested interests (or be pawns to the vested interest of others).

Back in college, our history classes touched on the insurgency in some areas of Central Luzon and how it came about. I don't know how true this is for other areas but it did make some sense when it was thought. In a nutshell, there was a time when the landlords or hacienderos enjoyed a good relationship with their farmer tenants and there was mutual agreement and assistance between both parties. As the generations changed, the hacienderos turned over their holdings to children and grandchildren who were more distant, grew up without knowing the intricacies of such a social system, and did not cultivate the same level of trust and relations with the farmers, which led to their eventual disenfranchisement (higher demands, lesser favors). This bore fruit to rebellion.

In the same case, when we dealt with "informal settlers" before, there were two kinds i usually encountered. There are those who are happy to be given relocation and permanent residence, and there are those who cultivate greed and chaos by forcing other residents to resist and ask for heaven and earth to satiate their "being kawawa":
- The former, we enjoyed working with when we get feedback on how happy they are to finally have a permanent residence, and we encourage them to just " pay it forward", build their communities, and just do good. These were the types who were looking for empowerment to move on with their lives and acted when they were given the chance.
- The latter, are usually the professional squatters who make a living off the lands they squat on by collecting rent and protection money, without doing anything else. They have vested interests and will resort to anything to keep their perceived space of power intact. These are the types i feel so tempted to see lined up against the wall and shot, or burned to the ground.

[Gerbo]

whether anyone likes it or not, the president is required to play these war games. he is the commander in chief.
but he should surround himself with good and able generals.

what does the cebuano look like? what does the manila boy look like? i don't know. the history book is written by the winners, to reflect their whims and fancies.

Lapu-lapu, by all acounts, is a Tausug.

Fast-forward to Marcos time. The Tausugs, together with the Yakans and the Samals, mainly inhabit Sulu, Basilan, and the tip of the Zamboanga peninsula. Marcos plan to "re-claimed Sabah" with essentially Tausug mercenaries backfired. See Jabidah massacre. And to this day treated by many of them as a betrayal by the government. Hence, the MNLF was borne.

When the MNLF took the peaceful process with the Ramos Administration resulted in the ARMM. Unfortunately, the input of state funds only benefited the Tausugs.

Hashim Salamat, a Maguindanaoan, broke away because he was essentially marginalized. MILF came to existence. Many of them are farmers and relatively uneducated. With the coming of migrant Ilocanos and Ilonggos during the Quirino administration, Cotabato become the hotbed for conflicts.

How about the Maranaos of the Lanao provinces? Most of them are actually assimilated to Philippine society. That is why we many of them are lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc.

So how do you solve the Mindanao problem?

First, ask our Muslim brethren there: Are they Filipino first, Muslin second? If yes, then we can move forward.

Second, a federal form of government. This will place in some form of autonomy at the same time accountability. We do not look far, Malaysia is a federal state. Police, the armed forces and other constitutional bodies are still with the central government.

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whether anyone likes it or not, the president is required to play these war games. he is the commander in chief.
but he should surround himself with good and able generals.

what does the cebuano look like? what does the manila boy look like? i don't know. the history book is written by the winners, to reflect their whims and fancies.

Lapu-lapu, by all acounts, is a Tausug.

Fast-forward to Marcos time. The Tausugs, together with the Yakans and the Samals, mainly inhabit Sulu, Basilan, and the tip of the Zamboanga peninsula. Marcos plan to "re-claimed Sabah" with essentially Tausug mercenaries backfired. See Jabidah massacre. And to this day treated by many of them as a betrayal by the government. Hence, the MNLF was borne.

When the MNLF took the peaceful process with the Ramos Administration resulted in the ARMM. Unfortunately, the input of state funds only benefited the Tausugs.

Hashim Salamat, a Maguindanaoan, broke away because he was essentially marginalized. MILF came to existence. Many of them are farmers and relatively uneducated. With the coming of migrant Ilocanos and Ilonggos during the Quirino administration, Cotabato become the hotbed for conflicts.

How about the Maranaos of the Lanao provinces? Most of them are actually assimilated to Philippine society. That is why we many of them are lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc.

So how do you solve the Mindanao problem?

First, ask our Muslim brethren there: Are they Filipino first, Muslin second? If yes, then we can move forward.

Second, a federal form of government. This will place in some form of autonomy at the same time accountability. We do not look far, Malaysia is a federal state. Police, the armed forces and other constitutional bodies are still with the central government.