MILF vs. SAF Maguindanao Encounter Death Toll now at 49

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

but are we not giving them those you enumerated to them now? are we not giving them autonomy under the armm?

not enough, apparently.
and autonomy, is not the same as what i enumerated.

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by miked

with regards to the muslim insurgency, siguro nga pagbigyan ang gusto nila pero for a trial period...once na magkagulo uli, bawiin lahat ng kung ano mang powers ang ibinigay. tama rin yung sabi ni duterte re:federalism. pero wag isusuko sa kanila ang military and police duties.

i doubt dyan sa sinasabi ni Iqbal na nadecommision na yung mga armas nila by "that time". ganon ganon lang ba isusuko ng isang muslim na rebelde ang kanyang baril na magmula bata e yan na ang laruan.

mas nakakatakot yung political power na ibibigay under bbl e. kahit sabihin din man kasi ng milf na wala nang koneksyon sa terrorist orgs e madali lang naman nilang mareactivate ito (sa tingin ko) kung hindi na naman mapagbigyan ang gusto nila e.

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with regards to the muslim insurgency, siguro nga pagbigyan ang gusto nila pero for a trial period...once na magkagulo uli, bawiin lahat ng kung ano mang powers ang ibinigay. tama rin yung sabi ni duterte re:federalism. pero wag isusuko sa kanila ang military and police duties.

i doubt dyan sa sinasabi ni Iqbal na nadecommision na yung mga armas nila by "that time". ganon ganon lang ba isusuko ng isang muslim na rebelde ang kanyang baril na magmula bata e yan na ang laruan.

mas nakakatakot yung political power na ibibigay under bbl e. kahit sabihin din man kasi ng milf na wala nang koneksyon sa terrorist orgs e madali lang naman nilang mareactivate ito (sa tingin ko) kung hindi na naman mapagbigyan ang gusto nila e.

the bangsamoro basic law is still under consideration by both houses of congress. they are still debating on it. so it is a misnomer or all together misleading to call it a law because at this point it still a bill being deliberated by congress. once it is passed, it is not automatically effective, because surely people will question its constitutionality in the supreme court. as things stands now, all these apprehensions are nothing but apprehensions.
with respect to decommissioning, we have this international monitoring team to check about it.

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 11:10 AM

with regards to the muslim insurgency, siguro nga pagbigyan ang gusto nila pero for a trial period...once na magkagulo uli, bawiin lahat ng kung ano mang powers ang ibinigay. tama rin yung sabi ni duterte re:federalism. pero wag isusuko sa kanila ang military and police duties.

i doubt dyan sa sinasabi ni Iqbal na nadecommision na yung mga armas nila by "that time". ganon ganon lang ba isusuko ng isang muslim na rebelde ang kanyang baril na magmula bata e yan na ang laruan.

mas nakakatakot yung political power na ibibigay under bbl e. kahit sabihin din man kasi ng milf na wala nang koneksyon sa terrorist orgs e madali lang naman nilang mareactivate ito (sa tingin ko) kung hindi na naman mapagbigyan ang gusto nila e.[/QUOTE]

i believe it was tried before.. with nur misuari.
and it failed, apparently.

the problem, i think, is that there are so many feudal lords in mindanao, it just won't do to deal with the "biggest", because the rest of the others combined, are still bigger than the "biggest". walang effective majority stockholder..

**b_9904** · February 14th, 2015 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

i mean, seriously, how can we solve the insurgency problem in Mindanao?

Ideology and the Bible, as a weapon.

Yung feudal lords dyan or whatnot cannot stand if wala na silang followers.

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

i think, even in mindanao, they (the noisy guys with the guns) are still the minority.
the majority just want to live in peace..

take time to read with an open mind the narrative history of the Moro.

remember our history in high school or college written by Gregorio Zaide about rajah solayman who was ruler of manila during pre-hispanic period? and what this goes to show?

**b_9904** · February 14th, 2015 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

but, honestly and seriously, we really can't afford that because even with the deaths of saf44 we are already bashing people here and there, right?

NOPE. Chacha tayo.

Estrada->GMA

Cory->ARMM

If ituloy mo yan hangang kaduluduluhan at tangalan mo sila ng identity and indoctrinate them to think moderately and na Pilipino sila at IMMATERIAL ang pagiging muslim nila, edi magiging parang regular province nalang yan.

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by b_9904

Ideology and the Bible, as a weapon.

the Bible?
Ishmael versus Isaac? Brother against brother?
conversion at the point of a sword?
how many of us Christians, would agree to shift religions? the answer would probably be the same for the Muslims..
crusades, here we go again...
as magneto said...we never learn.
heh heh.

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Originally Posted by b_9904

Ideology and the Bible, as a weapon.

the Bible?
Ishmael versus Isaac? Brother against brother?
conversion at the point of a sword?
how many of us Christians, would agree to shift religions? the answer would probably be the same for the Muslims..
crusades, here we go again...
as magneto said...we never learn.
heh heh.

**b_9904** · February 14th, 2015 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

but ruling a class of people with an iron fist in the name of the rule of law is in itself a contradiction, right? that is dictatorship, right? And dictatorship only result in repression, and repression to rebellion, right? how can we really solve the insurgency in Mindanao?

Very well said.

**Juan Martinez** · February 14th, 2015 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

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not enough, apparently.
and autonomy, is not the same as what i enumerated.

take time to read this law. it seems we have given our brothers in the south enough--
Republic Act No. 6734 August 1, 1989
An Act Providing for an Organic Act for the AUTONOMOUS REGION IN MUSLIM MINDANAO

**dr. d** · February 14th, 2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan Martinez

take time to read with an open mind the narrative history of the Moro.

remember our history in high school or college written by Gregorio Zaide about rajah solayman who was ruler of manila during pre-hispanic period? and what this goes to show?

the noisy guys with the guns are the majority?
what is the composition of the people now in mindanao?
i think it might have changed since zaide wrote the books..

if my high school history teacher is to be credited for educating me, i remember then, that the muslims in mindanao were the bad guys, and the christians were the good guys.. what i don't remember, is how zaide pictured the muslims in luzon, in intramuros..