[RESOLVED] Ofw Tsikoteer (and Others) In Riyadh Desperately Need Our Help

[badong10]

kawawa naman c enriko. sana makauwi na sya, God bles!!!

[NightWinger]

hmmmmm. wawa naman............ Dapat kilos na goverment dito sa Pinas! Patulog tulog lang kasi sila. Kawawa na mga pinoy sa ibang bansa!!!!!

[VtEC]

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he he he he relax lang po.ang kailangan po natin ngayon e lahat ng tulong na pwede nating maibigay don sa grupo mapa dasal, financial, connections wag na munapo yong bugso ng damdamin.backread nalang po tayo

[v6dreamer]

he he he he relax lang po.ang kailangan po natin ngayon e lahat ng tulong na pwede nating maibigay don sa grupo mapa dasal, financial, connections wag na munapo yong bugso ng damdamin.backread nalang po tayo

Siguro MINISTRO ka noon ano? ( peace be w/ u) He he he... pero I like that, kalmado ka parin kahit kulog at kidlat na ang nangingibabaw.

[architect]

As part of the replies I have been receiving from email groups to which I have forwarded Elaine's message is this one below:

Thank you for forwarding this email to me. However, there are many I really don’t understand in your email (as they do not all add up) … unless this is another scam trying to get our sentiments. Please consider:

• A brother-in-law of mine was imprisoned once in Saudi (2 weeks in – Rabigh – a fishing village between Jeddah & Yanbu) and told me that Saudi prisons do not appear as how others think they are. It’s pretty comfortable, with several works inside (laundry, woodworks, etc.) that commands a good salary per month (at net) apart from free food & accommodation. And that is only the main prison in a small fishing Village of Rabigh (now being transformed into one of the 16 Mega-Cities) way back in 1987;
• Most prisons (real prisons) in the Kingdom have their own hospitals, canteens (mess halls), libraries and other amenities that are even far better than our best jail or prison here;
• Half-way prisons (i.e., traffic police jails, early reported and non-convicted prisoners’ jail, etc.), however (way back 1987), are not as good and pretty much the same as how your email below described them;
• In your forwarded email, you said that they are in the “Cell # 6 Simisi Main Office of Jawasat because their employer had failed to process their eqama (work permit).” I do not know if my knowledge in Arabic still holds right (or even the rules in Saudi Arabia), but the office you just mentioned has nothing to do at all with Saudi prison. The office you are mentioning is pretty much like our BID (Bureau of Immigration & Deportation) and yes, if their employer really did failed to secure their Iqama, then their staying illegally;
• Your forwarded email, however, is inconsistent – one part it says failed to secure, another says failed to renew. If the employer failed to secure, then the offense is more realistic, however stupid and gross. Renewing is far too early at this time as it is usually renewed at a period no less than 1-year. Hence, the email doesn’t make sense;
• The case is far too long not to be noticed by our Phil. Embassy, where your email said they are (Capital city of Riyadh – the seat of government & embassies), and our ever nosy media (NOTE: they have field reporters stationed there – some of the OFWs posing as “cub-reporters”);
• If this is suppose to be a huge or previously good company, until he ran into financial trouble, why is his identity being withheld? If he is sent to Saudi Arabia by a licensed recruitment company in the Philippines , we could trace it and ask their assistance as well, by virtue of “JOINT AND SOLIDARY LIABILITY” – POEA’s Damocles’ sword over us and our license;
• The first (and I thought the only – until now) bus assembly & manufacturer in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is my oldest (since 1970’s) and still existing client AAA (Arabian Auto Agencies) based in Jeddah;
• I am an auto-buff (enthusiast) myself and I have never heard of the auto-industry in the Philippines having “automobile designers” even in the 2nd-hand/re-selling or rebuilding (for totally-wrecked or old model car restorers) industry; and
• The website you just asked me to visit (http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45882) is not even an advocacy eGroup or website dedicated for these poor incarcerated OFWs, but a auto-buff’s website discussing auto-detailing & selling car accessories.
• Thought you should know. We take things like these very seriously not because we never had other serious things to do. We just want to protect the image of this “bad media”-laden industry (no thanks to the government), which is close to already dying.

Lest others of a similar mindset might assume this is a letter written by a fictitious entity, the letter included a business card indicating the name Raul J. de Vera Jr. of Cherub Manpower Incorporated. Email address is cherubmanpower*yahoo.com.

He forwarded his response to the following: D3810 Rotarians <D3810Rotarians*yahoogroups.com>; NDM Batch 1979 <NDM_Batch_79*yahoogroups.com>; RCMalate eGroup <RCMALATE3810*yahoogroups.com>; REALM Cooperative <realm2004*yahoogroups.com>; Veraluz eGroup <VERALUZ*yahoogroups.com>; Cherub Manpower eGroup <cherubinc*yahoogroups.com>; Cyprus Ass'n. eGroup <aaacinc*yahoogroups.com>; FAME <FAMExporters*yahoogroups.com>; Guam Phils eGroup <GuamPhilippines*yahoogroups.com>; PILMAT eGroup <PILMAT*yahoogroups.com>

[juntzo]

oh no, maybe this is a scam?
hopefully sir jedi can dig deeper into the bottom of this!

[VtEC]

oh no, maybe this is a scam?
hopefully sir jedi can dig deeper into the bottom this!

i hope not.

[mazdamazda]

As part of the replies I have been receiving from email groups to which I have forwarded Elaine's message is this one below:

Lest others of a similar mindset might assume this is a letter written by a fictitious entity, the letter included a business card indicating the name Raul J. de Vera Jr. of Cherub Manpower Incorporated. Email address is cherubmanpower*yahoo.com.

He forwarded his response to the following: D3810 Rotarians <D3810Rotarians*yahoogroups.com>; NDM Batch 1979 <NDM_Batch_79*yahoogroups.com>; RCMalate eGroup <RCMALATE3810*yahoogroups.com>; REALM Cooperative <realm2004*yahoogroups.com>; Veraluz eGroup <VERALUZ*yahoogroups.com>; Cherub Manpower eGroup <cherubinc*yahoogroups.com>; Cyprus Ass'n. eGroup <aaacinc*yahoogroups.com>; FAME <FAMExporters*yahoogroups.com>; Guam Phils eGroup <GuamPhilippines*yahoogroups.com>; PILMAT eGroup <PILMAT*yahoogroups.com>

Thanks for the heads up.

Hopefully this can all be clarified.

[architect]

*juntzo, VtEC, mazdamazda,

This is exactly my concern. The letter writer never bothered to verify the facts and pre-maturedly dismissed it as a potential scam. Yet his letter manages to put doubts in fellow tsikoteers, even those who have been following the situation from the start. Now consider what others will think when they read the letter and again never bother to verify the facts.

A simple read of this thread will tell you that other organizations and individuals, on their own, have contacted ehnriko and verified their situation separately.

[architect]

I sent Mr. de Vera a reply -

Dear Mr. de Vera,

Let me address the issues you raised regarding the letter of Ms. Elaine Luga in dismissing it as a potential scam-

A brother-in-law of mine was imprisoned once in Saudi (2 weeks in – Rabigh – a fishing village between Jeddah & Yanbu) and told me that Saudi prisons do not appear as how others think they are. It’s pretty comfortable, with several works inside (laundry, woodworks, etc.) that commands a good salary per month (at net) apart from free food & accommodation. And that is only the main prison in a small fishing Village of Rabigh (now being transformed into one of the 16 Mega-Cities) way back in 1987;

Most prisons (real prisons) in the Kingdom have their own hospitals, canteens (mess halls), libraries and other amenities that are even far better than our best jail or prison here;

Half-way prisons (i.e., traffic police jails, early reported and non-convicted prisoners’ jail, etc.), however (way back 1987), are not as good and pretty much the same as how your email below described them;

The Jawasat means immigration and the Shumeisy Main Office of Jawasat is the deportation area where all undocumented / illegal aliens in Riyadh are detained. It is not like the prisons you described at all.

In your forwarded email, you said that they are in the “Cell # 6 Simisi Main Office of Jawasat because their employer had failed to process their eqama (work permit).” I do not know if my knowledge in Arabic still holds right (or even the rules in Saudi Arabia), but the office you just mentioned has nothing to do at all with Saudi prison. The office you are mentioning is pretty much like our BID (Bureau of Immigration & Deportation) and yes, if their employer really did failed to secure their Iqama, then their staying illegally; Yes it has nothing to do at all with regular Saudi prisons because it is a detention center for illegal aliens.

Your forwarded email, however, is inconsistent – one part it says failed to secure, another says failed to renew. If the employer failed to secure, then the offense is more realistic, however stupid and gross. Renewing is far too early at this time as it is usually renewed at a period no less than 1-year. Hence, the email doesn’t make sense;

Kindly re-read the letter. Nowhere does it say the employer “failed to secure.” Instead it said “employer had failed to process their eqama,” simply because the writer, Elaine Luga, wife of Enrico Luga, wasn’t so sure whether the employer managed to secure their work permits the first time around and have simply failed to renew them or simply never secured them in the first place.

The case is far too long not to be noticed by our Phil. Embassy, where your email said they are (Capital city of Riyadh – the seat of government & embassies), and our ever nosy media (NOTE: they have field reporters stationed there – some of the OFWs posing as “cub-reporters”);

Perhaps you may want to check your facts and find out for yourself who informed the Philippine Embassy in Riyadh.

If this is suppose to be a huge or previously good company, until he ran into financial trouble, why is his identity being withheld? If he is sent to Saudi Arabia by a licensed recruitment company in the Philippines , we could trace it and ask their assistance as well, by virtue of “JOINT AND SOLIDARY LIABILITY” – POEA’s Damocles’ sword over us and our license;

Nowhere in the letter does it say the employer is a huge or previously good company. And the rationale for withholding his identity is stated also. Please re-read the letter.

The first (and I thought the only – until now) bus assembly & manufacturer in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is my oldest (since 1970’s) and still existing client AAA (Arabian Auto Agencies) based in Jeddah;

You thought wrong.

I am an auto-buff (enthusiast) myself and I have never heard of the auto-industry in the Philippines having “automobile designers” even in the 2nd-hand/re-selling or rebuilding (for totally-wrecked or old model car restorers) industry;

Perhaps you simply socialize in different circles and not with local automobile designers, which admittedly is an informal group and which the Tsikot forum is trying to formalize.

The website you just asked me to visit (http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45882) is not even an advocacy eGroup or website dedicated for these poor incarcerated OFWs, but a auto-buff’s website discussing auto-detailing & selling car accessories.

Does the Tsikot forum have to be an OCW advocacy group in order to try to help save Filipinos, especially if one of them is its own member?

Thought you should know. We take things like these very seriously not because we never had other serious things to do. We just want to protect the image of this “bad media”-laden industry (no thanks to the government), which is close to already dying.

You claim to take these things very seriously but you are very quick to dismiss this case as a potential scam (and immediately forwarded it to several email groups as such) without verifying the facts. A very quick read of the Tsikot thread would have informed you that, in fact, several other forums, organizations, and individuals have contacted the group and verified their story.

And if you were to do a little bit of extra reading, you will realize that Tsikot has a very substantial number of OCW members and in fact the Saudi Arabian OCW thread is very much active.

It saddens me to see a fellow D3810 Rotarian miss the opportunity to be of service to others and instead pre-maturely dismiss the case as potential scam. It could have been a lot more constructive for you, given your stature as a highly successful businessman, to mobilize your network, especially your own RC, to help bring the OCWs home safely to their families and help them get re-started with their lives. It is not too late.

Sincerely,


PS I have posted your reply in the original thread in Tsikot as it bothers me that you have disseminated your reaction to a substantial number of groups. This way, interested parties can refer to the thread and judge for themselves. I would like to invite you to read the thread, especially the reactions to your letter, and perhaps address the reactions.

This way, we can determine the truth and maintain the fairness for all concerned. Hopefully we can come to a common understanding of what are the underlying problems and work hand in hand in resolving them for the benefit of all concerned.

PPS. And yes, Enrico Luga is a personal friend.