reactivate the task force Wang- Wang (Task force PD96) Pls Help us.

[aejhayl17]

agree po ako sa wangwang... blinkers... tinted plates

pero guys.. hinuhuli din daw po ngayon vehicles with chrome wheels. hid. airhorn. racing mufflers. lowered. foglights.

and pati dirty vehicles? according to a friend na nahulihan ng hid.

has anyone experienced?

http://www.lto.gov.ph/fines_and_penalty_2009.html#v_license

25. Operating MV with metallic tires in any public high ways 5,000.00

32. Dirty or unsightly or unsanitary MV (Motor Vehicle) 300.00

[kevin3000]

ang stupid naman ng rules nila ))

[aejhayl17]

^^bwisit nga e...wala man lang explanation or description.

[badsekktor]

common sense. you wouldnt use your high beam as much often as your low beam right?
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then again how would you differentiate the one using high beams and the one who has his lights not properly aligned? Please avoid the common sense reply since that wouldnt hold water if ever the violator decided to contest the ticket. Please try to imagine yourself as an enforcer trying to enforce something that is vague.



bakit eto problema? irrelevant. brand new cars with projectors on halogen bulbs? hhmm we were talking about aftermarket hids without projectors.
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you see most brand new cars with projectors (ie. fort, ms, etc) have projectors designed only for halogen bulbs and not HID kits. Iba ang retrofit ng projectors for HID kits and these usually only comes OEM with high end cars (Porshe etc...)

oem projector kits are legal, whether halogen bulbs or hid equipped. needless to say, it should be properly aligned and adjusted to the extent it cannot glare to opposing vehicles but also provides good visibility for the driver itself.
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ah i guess we have different sources about that. I do believe that projector retrofits for HID kits are different from the ones using Halogens

ok, whats gonna be the common baseline?
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IMO I dont give a damn about the baseline as long as there is one and it is logical, it would be fine for me....

galit ako sa naka hid without proper adjustments and projector kits. personal na dahilan. tama ka, it has to be done right.
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Judgement calls without any basis is a dangerous thing.... coupled with high emotions.... Enforcing laws should be as clear as possible to avoid being twisted for the benefit of few....

hulihin din. no questions.
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easier said than done

linawin ko lang yung nakabold, eto yung pagkakaintindi ko sa post mo.

"majority of hid users use their kits on their reflector HLs without proper projector kits"

then, they're doing it the wrong way. that should be discourage.

marami na nag-install ng hid-projector retrofit.
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There is a projector retrofit for Halogens then there is a projector retrofit for HID kits. Reflector headlights are a different breed.

so whats gonna be the common baseline?
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Well I would like to classify lighting issues with speeding issues. You see how NLEX enforcers apprehend overspeeding violators right? I guess the same applies to lighting violations. You need the equipment to justify the apprehension. Otherwise there is no basis for the violation.

bakit manghuhuli ng HL violations sa kasagsagan ng mataas na araw? diba? common sense.
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And do you prefer them dismantling your headlights in the middle of the night while you're in the middle of the road? I believe it would cause more danger than having an annoying light. Sino ba dito ang laging may dala na spare headlight bulbs kapag bumibiyahe? malamang eh madalang.....

about sa panghuhuli, pwedeng maglagay ng check points. mataas din ang crime rate tuwing gabi. kaya nga mas marami check points sa gabi kaysa sa araw. or just like what they do during the day, traps and abangers. 24 hours ang Police naten, shift by shift. atleast, more Police visibility is implemented.
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traffic violations are handled by PNP HPG and not the usual checkpoint police that you see. These checkpoints are operated usually by local police near the area. I still have to see the highway patrol group do their thing after the sun sets down. And they have specific written orders on whom to apprehend or check.

a simple violation ticket with higher fees can be produced during the apprehension. confiscate the license also. dont give back the license until the violation is corrected. kung hiniram lang ng nahuli, abala na din sa may-ari.

it should be stricter than before. para magtanda ang lahat.

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Ang problem nga eh may violation ba? Could you provide us any link about HL violation?

Tama na. Let's stay on the Topic.

Kung i-Ban ang HID, go. I don't care.

Sorry for the OT and again this is what i think the best solution... Kagaya ng wang wang at blinkers it is either meron or wala... huli kung meron, ligtas kung wala.

[aejhayl17]

then again how would you differentiate the one using high beams and the one who has his lights not properly aligned? Please avoid the common sense reply since that wouldnt hold water if ever the violator decided to contest the ticket. Please try to imagine yourself as an enforcer trying to enforce something that is vague.

upon enforcment apprehension, demonstrate it if you're in high beam or on low beams. Issue a ticket once proved the HL is not properly adjusted

bakit eto problema? irrelevant. brand new cars with projectors on halogen bulbs? hhmm we were talking about aftermarket hids without projectors.

you see most brand new cars with projectors (ie. fort, ms, etc) have projectors designed only for halogen bulbs and not HID kits. Iba ang retrofit ng projectors for HID kits and these usually only comes OEM with high end cars (Porshe etc...)

di ko naintindihan to.

what about this? oem hid with oem projector kit...but not Porsche level...



http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.ph/.../feature16.php

the 2010 CRV 2.4li 4wd
http://www.crossovercrv.com/specifications/#electrical

oem projector kits are legal, whether halogen bulbs or hid equipped. needless to say, it should be properly aligned and adjusted to the extent it cannot glare to opposing vehicles but also provides good visibility for the driver itself.

ah i guess we have different sources about that. I do believe that projector retrofits for HID kits are different from the ones using Halogens

IMO I dont give a damn about the baseline as long as there is one and it is logical, it would be fine for me....

you were saying from your previous post/s that there should be a common baseline, but now, you say this?

linawin ko lang yung nakabold, eto yung pagkakaintindi ko sa post mo.

"majority of hid users use their kits on their reflector HLs without proper projector kits"

then, they're doing it the wrong way. that should be discourage.

marami na nag-install ng hid-projector retrofit.

There is a projector retrofit for Halogens then there is a projector retrofit for HID kits. Reflector headlights are a different breed.

huh? anu relevance ng reply mo sa post ko above this quote?

i said majority of HID users install their kits on reflector type Headlamps. gets?

Well I would like to classify lighting issues with speeding issues. You see how NLEX enforcers apprehend overspeeding violators right? I guess the same applies to lighting violations. You need the equipment to justify the apprehension. Otherwise there is no basis for the violation.

i hope, there would not be more anomalies on buying this light measuring equipment. like i said on my previous reply.

bakit manghuhuli ng HL violations sa kasagsagan ng mataas na araw? diba? common sense.

And do you prefer them dismantling your headlights in the middle of the night while you're in the middle of the road? I believe it would cause more danger than having an annoying light. Sino ba dito ang laging may dala na spare headlight bulbs kapag bumibiyahe? malamang eh madalang.....

eto sagot ko diyan, from my post

a simple violation ticket with higher fees can be produced during the apprehension. confiscate the license also. dont give back the license until the violation is corrected. kung hiniram lang ng nahuli, abala na din sa may-ari.

it should be stricter than before. para magtanda ang lahat.

additonal: no need to dismantle the whole HL assembly. just a simple apprehension ticket just like what traffic law violators receive.

traffic violations are handled by PNP HPG and not the usual checkpoint police that you see. These checkpoints are operated usually by local police near the area. I still have to see the highway patrol group do their thing after the sun sets down. And they have specific written orders on whom to apprehend or check.

so "maybe", higher ranks should add apprehending the PD96 violators (or if ever, when the PD96 is revised that includes over-glaring HLs) to the orders of checkpoints i mentioned.

Ang problem nga eh may violation ba? Could you provide us any link about HL violation?

wala pa. nakatambak sa congress or senate ng Philippines. not sure though.

pero sa US bawal ang Aftermarket HIDs

http://orca.st.usm.edu/~jmneal/tiburon/hids.htm

9. Are HID's legal?
Installing HID's into a vehicle not originally equipped with them from the factory is technically illegal. Practically speaking, you stand little chance of being cited for them provided you educate yourself on the requirements of HID lighting and take the necessary steps to ensure you have the right equipment and adjustments to keep it safe. That is, make sure your vehicle's headlight assembly uses an appropriately designed projector lense (as opposed to a reflector), and of course that your headlights are properly aligned after installation. Many newer vehicles use projector lenses because stock halogen bulbs also benefit from the "light shaping", but having just any old projector lense does not necessarily ensure that the beam pattern will be correct. It is absolutely essential for HID's to give the light output a sharp cutoff line to prevent blinding oncoming traffic. As HID's become more popular, aftermarket projector housings are being produced for some vehicles.

The Department of Transportation (DOT) states that improperly-installed HID's are getting a lot of complaints. Vendors will usually include a disclaimer that they are intended for offroad use only, but it's no secret that people don't follow this rule. Now, there are a lot of aftermarket automotive parts that qualify as illegal but aren't strictly enforced. Logically, the safety implications of blinding oncoming drivers are more serious than, say, an exhaust that exceeds the legal noise level. So the DOT has actively gone after vendors of HID conversion kits, threatening monetary fines if they continue selling them, and consequently there are now fewer places to buy them.

^^and that should also be implemented here in RP. imho

Sorry for the OT and again this is what i think the best solution... Kagaya ng wang wang at blinkers it is either meron or wala... huli kung meron, ligtas kung wala.

tama! para wala na lang away. ipagbawal na ang HID. tapus ang usapan.

[Starex_Gold]

Boys sobrang haba na ng discussion regarding HID. Let's stick to the topic naman.

Intayin nalang natin ang official announcement kung i-Ban ang HID.

Back To Topic na. :hammer:

[SIZE=1]Subukan niyo mag reklamo.[/SIZE]

[aejhayl17]

Boys sobrang haba na ng discussion regarding HID. Let's stick to the topic naman.

Intayin nalang natin ang official announcement kung i-Ban ang HID.

Back To Topic na. :hammer:

[SIZE=1]Subukan niyo mag reklamo.[/SIZE]

yes sir. pasensya na.

*badsekktor...pasensya na din bro

[Starex_Gold]

yes sir. pasensya na.

*badsekktor...pasensya na din bro

Wala naman ganyanan. Walang "sir"

Bago ako maging mod "bro" pa tawagan natin :cry: tapos ngayon inalis mo pa yung SB Boys :cry:

Anyway, very cool ka dun sa pag sagot sa troll ah. Hehehe. Thank you for reporting. Dalawa na tayo nag report ng post niya.

[AC]

guys.. pasensya na sa mga ayaw na kasama topic ang hid and others...
sir starex gold.. pasensya na..
but i think lang.. dapat isama.. para mapagusapan natin ano hinuhuli and ano hindi..

nadamay po kasi yung ibang mods dahil sa wangwang thing...
alam naman natin.. nakakaloko mga hinuhuli nila.. hulidap talaga.. (if totoo)
and uso uso lang yan.. dahil.. bago nakaupo sa lto.. hehe nagpapakilala... para matago muna natin parts.. and reinstall nalang sasunod.. pag wala na uli problema

that is if ok lang.. if its not ok to talk about it.. no prob po.. :D

[Starex_Gold]

Ok I'm sorry kung OT.. Para matapos na ang usapan.

Sec. Of LTO has spoken.

HIDs are legal as long as aimed and aligned CORRECTLY. Kung masyado nakaka silaw, may chance na ma-sita kayo.

All bulbs lower than 100Watts are Legal.

Nabasa ko yan sa TeamFD.

Tapos na ang usapan ha. Back to topic na.