wigo versus g4

**bxr monkey** · August 18th, 2024 07:29 PM

Hindi daw smooth shifting ang AGS. Baka mas okay ang Swift GL CVT? Mahal nga lang. Okay ang Wigo G, at G4 GLS.
Wigo G
(+)
Parts and maintenance
Ok dimensions sa city
Flexible HB space
AC
LEDs
More safety features
Dashcam
Cheaper

G4 GLS
(+)
Parts and maintenance
bigger trunk and passenger space
Longer wheelbase, better highway ride
Halogens - rain visibility, cheap bulbs
Simpler CVT maintenance - w/ dipstick/filler tube, filter strainer, separate paper filter access
Global model - madami surplus parts
Buy PH
(-)
AC

Since HB preference ko, leaning towards sa Wigo. Or bare bones Mirage HB GLX (no ABS!). Hehe.

**dr. d** · August 18th, 2024 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by _Cathy_

doc, we're Toyota loyalists, aren't we?

Wigo por supuesto

somos mercenarios, probablemente.
we go where the overall pay is better.
so far, toyota seems to be the better employer, but we should not be deaf and blind to reasonable offers.
so far, it's wigo...
heh heh.

i wonder,
may we now choose our ending digit on the plate number?

**ice15** · August 19th, 2024 11:54 AM

I've never been a fan of the Mirage even since I rented one.

New Wigo uses DNGA-B platform that's also used by the Raize, Avanza/Veloz, Yaris Cross and 4th Gen Vios.

2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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**Ry_Tower** · August 19th, 2024 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by ice15

I've never been a fan of the Mirage even since I rented one.

New Wigo uses DNGA-B platform that's also used by the Raize, Avanza/Veloz, Yaris Cross and 4th Gen Vios.

2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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Nope, Wigo uses the DNGA-A not the B.

**Vodka** · August 21st, 2024 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by ice15

2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be

that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

**LOLZ** · August 21st, 2024 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Vodka

weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be

that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

It seems there is something wrong with the test vehicle(limp mode? Calibration for the PH market?) the Physical gear seems to set ~2000rpm at 100kph so they are still using the CVT albeit not being given shortest available ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfFnnoZhUE&t=1014s

**Dr.Kamiya** · August 22nd, 2024 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Vodka

weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be

that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

After reading the press releases, I think both implementations make sense, just a matter of whether the car is being tuned for low or high speed efficiency.

Either side is where you have a big differential in pulleys: big input to small output in "low gear" mode, or small input to big output in "high gear" mode meaning a lot of torque division or multiplication which can cause the CVT to slip more.

So the corolla implementation is optimized for stop and go traffic, the wigo version is for highway cruising.

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

**LOLZ** · August 22nd, 2024 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by LOLZ

It seems there is something wrong with the test vehicle(limp mode? Calibration for the PH market?) the Physical gear seems to set ~2000rpm at 100kph so they are still using the CVT albeit not being given shortest available ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfFnnoZhUE&t=1014s

Edit: It seems like the CVT and the Physical Gear(when engaged) feeds a planetary gear set which makes it behave sort of like the Prius' Ecvt except a CVT transmission is doing the job of MG1 in controlling the gear ratio. The "Short shift" is more likely the vehicle protecting the CVT part of the transmission.

**oj88** · August 22nd, 2024 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

This.

A low-gear direct drive for stop-and-go, and a direct drive for the top/OD gear. That should make for a more reliable CVT, IMO.

**dr. d** · August 22nd, 2024 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya

After reading the press releases, I think both implementations make sense, just a matter of whether the car is being tuned for low or high speed efficiency.

Either side is where you have a big differential in pulleys: big input to small output in "low gear" mode, or small input to big output in "high gear" mode meaning a lot of torque division or multiplication which can cause the CVT to slip more.

So the corolla implementation is optimized for stop and go traffic, the wigo version is for highway cruising.

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

interesting.
i guess i'll have to think what type of driving i'll be doing...