R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

**fourtheboys96** · June 18th, 2012 12:33 PM

Having read some national innovation systems paper, it was quite clear that what China is doing today (copying and reverse engineering technologies or "R & D") is not new. Japan, Korea and Taiwan did the same before they became an technological and economic powerhouse.

I know IPR regulations are stricter today but I also assume that Research and Duplicate is still possible.
Why are Filipinos not into this?
Are we too proud?
Are we too kind and generous not to copy someone else's work?

Are we afraid of criticisms of our own work (original or otherwise)?

I am just curious.

**niky** · June 18th, 2012 12:50 PM

R&D is not necessarily our weakness. We can and do perform it. The real reason for Japan and Korea's success is government protectionism. Money. Lots of it.

(China is a different story... huge captive market... IP-ignoring industries... state sponsored industrialists and unfair trade practices)

Both the Japanese Zaibatsu and the Korean Chaebols relied heavily on government support and government-sourced or enabled funding to prosper. Japan also got further support in terms of wartime money, built up industrialization from before the war and during the war, and US government support.

If the Philippine insurgency were stronger or if the Philippines had land connections to China, we could have probably gained as much support as Korea and Japan did in terms of money and industrialization. But it isn't and we don't.

Our government has also been very weak in its approach to enabling local business, also. Too much money spent on bribes and not enough on actually protecting local business interests. Look at the auto sector and electronics sector... when a foreign partner leaves, there's still capital left behind, invested in machinery, personnel and technology. Is it tied into manufacturing local, competing products? Nope. It's just left to rot. If the government were more supportive of local industry... giving them subsidies and enabling them to be more competitive... we could perform the technology transfer needed. As it is, we can't.

Yun nga lang 40,000 unit minimum to ensure cost-effective production of locally manufactured vehicle bodies, di natin kaya... if the government would subsidize that production, or would at least grant tax breaks, puwede sana.

Our local business organizations are also weak. Too much political BS, personal interest and backstabbing. When you have an org here, there's just a few people actively involved and everyone else just takes up space. Even worse when one or two of those working have personal agendas and hijack the org for their own purposes. Unlike in Japan or Korea... where the leadership skills are not necessarily better, but at least the following skills are much more developed.

And that's probably the ultimate problem. We're not great team players. Even if the leaders are doing the right thing, we'll be badmouthing them and backstabbing them simply because we like the other guy, instead of working from within to make sure the whole thing sticks together.

**uls** · June 18th, 2012 01:04 PM

lack of investment in Research and Duplicate...

and it's the culture

unlike Japan, SK, China, pinoys prefer to consume than produce

not a lot of businessmen here want to invest in manufacturing when importing finished products is a lot less hassle

and R&D/labor is expensive. who would want to invest money in R&D (and hope the make back the money years later) when you can make money now by importing and selling finished goods?

dito sa atin, capital just doesnt go to R&D

i'm sure there's skill here to make copies of stuff. but nobody's investing in that area

**yapoy86** · June 18th, 2012 02:16 PM

baluga kasi mga pinoy.... unahin muna sarili... kahit may government support pag may budget na lahat gusto kumita... o diba balugang baluga...

i'm working before sa isang korean company (famous sila sa TV)... doon gagawin ng korean mag buy sila ng machine na branded japanese... tapos in-house babaklasin nila.. bibili ng mga parts tapos mag assemble sila ng copy nun machine.. in the end.. 2 units lang yung binili nila sa japan tapos the rest copy na lang... very loyal sila sa bansa at company nila... when their philippine assembly plant was built all parts came from korea... kahit nga pa sub-con or pa customize ng parts, kahit kaya ng pinoy sa kapwa korean pa din sila mag papagawa...

**uls** · June 18th, 2012 02:28 PM

hehe

mas priority ng pinoy mag happy-happy kesa pag aralan paano ginawa ang mga bagay bagay

kulang tayo sa nerd... curious people who take things apart for fun just to find out how they work

puro kasi pa-cool mga tao dito. puro porma. pinagtatawanan mga nerd. kaya wala gusto maging nerd

sa Japan, SK dami nerd

nasa culture talaga

**uls** · June 18th, 2012 02:32 PM

kahit simpleng CRT TV walang pinoy businessman nag-abala mag manufacture

pero TV technician na pinoy napakarami hehe

**basti08** · June 18th, 2012 02:32 PM

hahaha uso kasi bastusan sa China (errr... walang kapwa tao at pakielam, bahala ka sa buhay mo kung ginaya ka namin hahaha!), yung Korea at Japan naman stepping stone lang ang derivation nila ng gawa, but not exactly copying. hehe

**Boy Bastos** · June 18th, 2012 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by yapoy86

baluga kasi mga pinoy.... unahin muna sarili... kahit may government support pag may budget na lahat gusto kumita... o diba balugang baluga...

Eh di baluga ka rin? :D

**yapoy86** · June 18th, 2012 02:47 PM

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

**Boy Bastos** · June 18th, 2012 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by yapoy86

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

Sabi nga ng mga elders, 50s-60s going up ang Pinas. Malinis ang palengke. Mga jeepney driver nakapolo at pantalon. May urban planning pa. May disiplina ang mga tao. Makikita yan sa mga vintage Phil photos. Then came martial law. Paatras pa rin hanggang ngayon.