Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

**tonggressman** · November 26th, 2015 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by spotdog11

It is a fact that the brakes are a lot more stronger than the engine. Even if the engine goes wild or full throttle, the brakes can still easily hold or stop the car. Top gear has presented its opinion stating this fact also, among other points. Its hard to understand why other people don't get this. The throttle is computer controlled while the brake is purely mechanical which is powered by hydraulic pressure. For those who has tried drag racing using A/T will understand, that a powerful car would not move an inch while depressing the brakes and throttle at the same time. If a 500 horsepower mustang can't overpower its brakes, how much more a montero with 179 horsepower. Sadly, people would rather believe a spectacular ghost story without any scientific explanation than an opinion of an expert like top gear backed up with facts and evidence. In the video of abs cbn, its clear that the driver is not applying brakes at any point because we cant see the brake lights lit. Its clearly driver's error.

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It is a fact that the brakes are a lot more stronger than the engine. Even if the engine goes wild or full throttle, the brakes can still easily hold or stop the car. Top gear has presented its opinion stating this fact also, among other points. Its hard to understand why other people don't get this. The throttle is computer controlled while the brake is purely mechanical which is powered by hydraulic pressure. For those who has tried drag racing using A/T will understand, that a powerful car would not move an inch while depressing the brakes and throttle at the same time. If a 500 horsepower mustang can't overpower its brakes, how much more a montero with 179 horsepower. Sadly, people would rather believe a spectacular ghost story without any scientific explanation than an opinion of an expert like top gear backed up with facts and evidence. In the video of abs cbn, its clear that the driver is not applying brakes at any point because we cant see the brake lights lit. Its clearly driver's error.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMYjiCiTYg

maybe not all the time that "brake is always stronger than the engine". yong nangyaring SUA sa U.S. involving lexus ay nakatawag pa sa 911 yong driver bago sila bumangga at namatay.. dahil "the car is out of control" daw ..

**oj88** · November 26th, 2015 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by JohnM

Please read your manual. Most ABS systems activate above 10 kph IIRC. The activation is noticeable because there is a light clunk coming from the engine compartment when you reach a certain speed and it is more evident on cold starts. I noticed this sound on a Mirage, a Vios and a 3. It might not be noticeable through the clatter of a diesel engine though.

I was simply driving a point that the ABS operates NOT JUST exclusively at high speeds, as someone claimed that it does. So loosely speaking, 10kph to whatever pretty much constitutes any speed.

And the ABS growl you hear is not it turning ON. It's a diagnostic thing that the ABS goes through and does so on your first forward motion and is repeated everytime the engine is restarted (on most modern Toyotas).

The behavior is not the same among different makes and models. AFAIK, Honda and Hyndai, for example, does not run the ABS motor during diagnostics like Toyota does.

**dishcom** · November 26th, 2015 01:16 PM

Gusto ko rin malinawan sa issue na ito.. panu ba setup or connection sa engine ng gas pedal ng montero??
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Hindi ko nakita sa video yung bumababa ang driver na nag aaccelerate parin ang montero.. sa ganun case ko masasabi na wala ng human error na wala na and tao e accelerate parin,

**tonggressman** · November 26th, 2015 01:19 PM

magkakaroon daw ng inquiry ang DTI..sana mag hire sila ng mga automotive and computer engineers from toyota and ford as resource person..kung may SUA ang toyota noon possible din na may SUA ang mitsubishi aside from drivers error..

**tonggressman** · November 26th, 2015 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by car_fan

Pwede bang gawin exhibit tong thread na ito sa hearing na gagawin ni colmenares. Ng masagot lahat ni mitsu ang haka haka natin. At nang matigil na ang pagiging eksperto natin? Lol

ang mitsu automatic yan ideny nila na may defect ang kanilang product..sa toyota ganun din noon sa U.S. magaling lang talaga yong mga investigator kaya nakita nilang may cover up ang toyota..resulta nagbayad ang toyota ng 1.2 bil dollars as penalty

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Originally Posted by car_fan

Pwede bang gawin exhibit tong thread na ito sa hearing na gagawin ni colmenares. Ng masagot lahat ni mitsu ang haka haka natin. At nang matigil na ang pagiging eksperto natin? Lol

ang mitsu automatic yan ideny nila na may defect ang kanilang product..sa toyota ganun din noon sa U.S. magaling lang talaga yong mga investigator kaya nakita nilang may cover up ang toyota..resulta nagbayad ang toyota ng 1.2 bil dollars as penalty

**fireice2** · November 26th, 2015 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by gundam

Bro agree. Lets just wait for the lawyers here kung anong quantum of evidence needed dito, this might only be a civil case. Not sure.

Pero kung yang mga SUA drivers na yan pag sablay mga evidence nyan at pointing fingers lang to escape liability. Kung ako MMPC, counterclaim ko yan ng ciminal case. Hehehe yun ay kung pwede..[emoji16]

Civil case lang naman ito kung ano man. Preponderance of Evidence lang kailangan. Di mo naman pwede gawing reckless imprudence resulting to damage to property or physical injuries. Sino respondent/accused mo? Ang corporate officers ng MMPH? Designers? Engineers?

Kaso in Civil cases, the claimant must prove their allegations and present evidence to support their claim. Burden of proof does not belong to defendants in civil cases.

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Originally Posted by gundam

Bro agree. Lets just wait for the lawyers here kung anong quantum of evidence needed dito, this might only be a civil case. Not sure.

Pero kung yang mga SUA drivers na yan pag sablay mga evidence nyan at pointing fingers lang to escape liability. Kung ako MMPC, counterclaim ko yan ng ciminal case. Hehehe yun ay kung pwede..[emoji16]

Civil case lang naman ito kung ano man. Preponderance of Evidence lang kailangan. Di mo naman pwede gawing reckless imprudence resulting to damage to property or physical injuries. Sino respondent/accused mo? Ang corporate officers ng MMPH? Designers? Engineers?

Kaso in Civil cases, the claimant must prove their allegations and present evidence to support their claim. Burden of proof does not belong to defendants in civil cases.

**fireice2** · November 26th, 2015 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by tonggressman

magkakaroon daw ng inquiry ang DTI..sana mag hire sila ng mga automotive and computer engineers from toyota and ford as resource person..kung may SUA ang toyota noon possible din na may SUA ang mitsubishi aside from drivers error..

Di pwede experts from competitors. They will bury Mistu alive if that is the case. Expert investigators must be independent for it to be credible.

**A121** · November 26th, 2015 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by fireice2

Di pwede experts from competitors. They will bury Mistu alive if that is the case. Expert investigators must be independent for it to be credible.

Maybe yung may computer or mechanical engineering degree from Google University. LOL.

Sa akin lang, this SUA issue is more of a PR problem. Even if experts proved these incidents caused by human error, ang madla ay hindi naman expert in distinguishing fact from fiction. Still a mitsubishi fan despite them cancelling the evo. Hehe

**Ry_Tower** · November 26th, 2015 02:07 PM

Talo talaga MMPC dyan. Trial by publicity sa congress eh hehehe.

Good thing lang, dami na naman funny quotes and comedic stunts tayong aabangan sa hearing. 😛

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**niky** · November 26th, 2015 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ClaNker

Left-foot braking technique is used in racing and there's no benefit gained from that in a regular daily drive. Hence, you're a wannabe racer.

Stop spewing dangerous driving method in this thread. Manual trans left foot muscle memory, enough said.

Balik na sa topic.

Left-foot braking is for racing only?

So I suppose the two-foot braking technique we teach in emergency driving is also not allowable, since we use both feet?

The only issue with left-foot braking is that it's easy to overbrake if you're not used to doing it.

Many people don't recommend it, because it feels unnatural if you're not used to it.

Those who do practice it have no issue. And there are those of us who can and do use the left foot, even on a manual. In an emergency situation, you put both feet on that brake pedal and shove it as hard as possible. Eff the clutch. (we usually shove the gear lever into neutral while stopping to keep the engine running).

This technique is not dangerous if done right. It's unconventional, but not dangerous, and there are a number of driving instructors who promote it.

The only issue I have with left foot braking is that if you rest your foot on the brake pedal, you'll be "riding" the brakes while cruising. But those are the same type of people who "ride the clutch", so it's not a problem of left-foot braking, but a problem of proper practice.

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There are no laws that state you shouldn't left foot brake (anywhere). You won't get disqualified in a license test for left-foot braking (as long as it's smooth). There is no link between left-foot braking and accidents... but plenty of data on right-foot pedal mis-application and SUA.

Many authorities now recommend that older drivers left-foot brake, to avoid confusion that can lead to SUA. Many parking lot type SUAs can be traced directly to pedal mis-application.

This will NOT happen with a left-foot braking technique.

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I would not recommend learning it to someone who drives mostly manuals, or who may need to drive a manual, but I know plenty of good drivers who LFB with no issue.

And they're not "wannabe racers". ("Has-beens", puwede pa.

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Originally Posted by Monseratto

Back to the subject...

To be honest, the first time I saw this video, I slapped my forehead. That was the most obvious video of pedal mis-application ever. No brakelights, and the driver panicked and threw the car into drive and surged forward instead of trying to kill the engine (yes, you can turn off an automatic with the transmission in drive).

Someone on FB said that in the full video, another driver got out of the car and the owner got in prior to the incident. A common theme with some of the other SUA cases, lending more weight to the pedal mis-application comment.

The other video, I've seen pictures on FB. The vehicle has thick, 3M-style loop floormats. You can see one bunched up on the passenger side in one of the pictures. The driver's seat is pulled all the way forward (the driver was lucky not to get her neck snapped by the airbag), which increases the likelihood of the mat folding and pinning or snagging in the pedals.

On most of our cars, and on media drives, I tend to remove the driver side floor mat and stuff it in the trunk. Safest way to drive.