Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[Junesp111]

Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
Kaso nga bro kahit hindi impossible, ang tanong eh may naka-prove ba? Hindi ba na sinasabi nang batas na a person (MMC is a legal entity) is innocent until proven guilty.

Again obvious naman problem eh, yung early model nang MS ay walang brake switch system na kung saan puwede mo i-shift from P to D or R without stepping on the brakes. Pero hindi SUA yan. Yan tingin ko dapat focus nang argument ng mga naaksidente. Dyan may pag-asa sila makakuha hustisya.

Pero again, tignan din nila manual nila. If nakalagay dun na they should depress the brake first before shifting through gears. Lusot pa din MMC. Bakit? Eh nasa instuction kasi eh na read the manual first before driving. So bagsak nun, sasabihin nang MMC na may neglect on the part of the driver. Just like nung white MS driver sa video.

Hopefully a lawyer can enlighten us on this since limited lang alam ko sa batas.

To summarize my point here, possible SUA pero in the case of early MS eh hindi SUA yan imho. The standard safety of brake lever switch was missing and probably the cause of these accidents. Yan ang madali ma-prove para nga may justice naman if ever sa mga na-aggrabiyado.

BTW i have no car brand loyalty. Just car model loyalty. hehe. I'd buy a 2nd hand Pajero BK or an MuX is I have the funds right now. Ipa-leather ko lang dashboard nang MuX 3.0 4x4 oks na ako.
Duly noted your point brother. Apoligies if I tried to focus on SUA as there could be other design issues resulting to the problem.

Pag ECU yung may problema, then mahirap i prove yan, unless mag may program engineer na mag check ng firmware ng ECU at makita ang bug sa firmware ng ECU.

[cast_no_shadow]

Ang haba ng thread. Please visit TGP. Nandun po full length video. Mukang may mag eedit ng comment dito. Hehe.

Saw the vid, and yes bakit kaya hindi full video pinakita ng ABS sa news? misleading yung pag edit nila eh?

Hirap mag park yung naunang driver which I really don't get, kaluwag ng clearance, mali lang ang buwelo.

Eto naman pumalit nataranta

sino dun ang owner? yung una or pangalawang driver?

[monty_GTV]

from TGP...

http://www.topgear.com.ph/features/t...n?ref=headline

[confused shoes]

Nakakutawa lang. Kung okay lang ang left foot sa brake, di sana ginawa na nilang left foot din ang brake sa RHD na auto?

[Ry_Tower]

Break lights did not light-up despite the claim that he stepped on the brakes.

Hindi talaga iilaw break lights. Puwede pa yung brake lights.

Afaik sa gabi lang (mga discohan) ang may umiilaw na break lights.

[CVT]

mukhang yang video ng white montero na yan ang magpapahamak pa sa mga mag sasampa ng kaso sa MMPC kung talagang umapak siya sa brakes iilaw at iilaw ung brake lights nia, kahit nga nakapatay makina ng montero pag inapakan mo brakes umiilaw ung brake lights kalokohan naman na sabihin baka napundi un wow 3 ilaw ng brakelights napundi lahat edi dun pa lang obvious na kung ano klaseng driver siya.

kasi sa pag atras nia pa lang you would expect na makikita mong nakailaw ung brake lights dahil kusang aatras yan ng dahan dahan pag naka "R" yan kaya alalay na lang sa brakes gagawin mo chaka ka lang aapak sa accelerator kapag nawalan ng momentum ung sasakyan or nag full stop ka at ung pag apak pa nga sa accelerator eh slight lng dapat cnu ba naman gagong aatras tapos isasagad ung accelerator.

and it was clear na pinanggigilan nia ung accelerator sa taranta nia hindi uusok ung montero ng ganun hanggat hindi mo i-floor ung accelerator.

That is also my opinion of the white Montero Sport issue, bro. Specially your last statement...

But wait,- the third brake light has 3 bulbs, right???? So it became more highly improbable that five (5) brake lights/bulbs were busted!...

[Ry_Tower]

^Bro CVT, kapag may Ford Fiesta sa harapan mo while driving your new car. Just make sure your left foot is aboe the brake pedal already.

Pag ECU yung may problema, then mahirap i prove yan, unless mag may program engineer na mag check ng firmware ng ECU at makita ang bug sa firmware ng ECU.

Hindi actually mahirap i-prove. Naprove nga yung VW cheat sa diesel emission testing na I assume is more complicated eh. We just don't have the technology but I am sure uncle Sam would like to help us thru the NHTSA.

[glenn manikis]

Cite me the studies you all seem to know of which shows that the technique I normally use is "more dangerous" for someone like me.
Give me the figures, which show that people who used this technique as norm, are involved in more accidents. <- Maybe a moot point since you can also see the figures of people who are involved in the same types accidents who drive in your/normal way.

AGAIN, the normality of using the technique for that person is key here, I am not asking YOU, who is unable to do it, to use the technique. That is dangerous for YOU and everyone around, that I can agree on.

PM mo na lang if you don't want to derail the topic. Or leave it here to educate everyone idc.

*car fan

Don't bother na, I recant my previous statement. The inability accept a difference in opinion, the subtle(or not) shaming, repetitive arguments w/o factual/logical backing. its borderline and childish, the irony is not lost to me


At topic

My reason for my skepticism I do not know, or know anyone, who has either 1st hand experience OR know anyone else on a sensible degree to which it happened to.

Does that invalidate the claims? of course not.

What does it for me is the eerily similar statements made by the victims circulating social media, eerily similar in a way that iba yung sasakyan sa pic iba yung driver pero yung sinabi niya parang copy paste lang ng na una; PLUS the fact that its isolated in one particular model on our particular country.

Does that invalidate the claims? again, no. But to convince me otherwise there must be more information about this other than the statements made by the victims.

I am not saying that it is definitely driver error but I am not accepting that it is definitely defects.

Show you studies?

I think you should be the one to enlighten us... How safe and how left foot braking is better and SAFER...

Hindi naman OT relevant din naman ito sa SUA...

[monty_GTV]

di kasi gumamit ng left foot pag brake...safe sana siya...

eh left foot sa gas pedal? anyone?

[niky]

Having seen the full video... I think MMPC can take ABS-CBN to court for defamation. Truly shameful editing of the video there. How they could keep a straight face while the driver claimed the brake lights were "pundido", I don't know.

Very obvious... before second driver... working brake lights. After he finally... FINALLY put the car in park... he stepped on the brakes.. oh... look.... HINDI NAMAN PUNDIDO ANG BRAKE LIGHTS.

Pull the other effin' foot, ABS-CBN.

Sister that's niky, intelligent discussion only.

:hysterical:

Seriously, though... isn't it time for another ban and name change for somebody?