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September 17th, 2012 10:41 PM #1551
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September 18th, 2012 09:00 AM #1552
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September 18th, 2012 10:59 AM #1553
nope nothing to do with any of that. it was a rogue algorithm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88G1A820120917
Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:15pm EDT
(Reuters) - IntercontinentalExchange Inc said it had no comment on the high-speed sell-off in Brent crude oil futures on Monday, which saw prices fall by more than $5 a barrel in a matter of minutes.
Traders said the price action looked like an algorithmic trade gone bad due to the speed and the volume of the selling.
ICE is the home of the Brent crude oil contract in London.
U.S. crude oil futures and oil products, including RBOB gasoline and heating oil, also sold off between 1:52 pm EDT (1752 GMT) and 1:55 pm EDT.
CME Group (CME.O), where U.S. crude primarily trades, said it was not aware of any technical issue that may have contributed to the selling on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX).
Brent fell from $115.20 a barrel at 1:52 pm EDT to an intraday low of $111.60 a barrel at 1:55 pm EDT.Last edited by uls; September 18th, 2012 at 11:19 AM.
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September 18th, 2012 11:43 PM #1554
update: not rogue algo or trader error
very likely liquidation of long positions by a hedge fund then other players followed
as the price went down sell stops were tripped which triggered more selling
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September 19th, 2012 02:54 AM #1555
Saudi Arabia acting to lower oil prices: Gulf source | Reuters
(Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is acting to lower oil prices, a senior Gulf source said on Tuesday, adding that the majority of OPEC producers wanted oil prices around $100 per barrel.
The Gulf source told reporters the oil market was well balanced with no shortage of oil supply.
Saudi Arabia was producing around 10 million barrels per day (bpd) of crude and other members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries would be increasing output over the next few months.
"We would like to see the price coming down and we are working to bring it down," said the Gulf source.
"The price now, we believe is high, and it's not supported by fundamentals at all. It's just speculation and geopolitics."
"The majority of OPEC countries prefer around $100, including Saudi Arabia," he said, adding that $100 per barrel was "right now the ideal price for the majority of OPEC countries ... the majority is all except one or two."
"We think the oil market is well balanced," the Gulf source added.
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September 19th, 2012 09:44 AM #1556
^ seems to be working fast on oil futures. Big drop. Its the lowest in a month.
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September 19th, 2012 10:49 AM #1557
one large seller, others followed
sell orders triggered more sell orders
One big order, thousands of small ones, seen behind oil tumble | Energy & Oil | Reuters
One big order, thousands of small ones, seen behind oil tumble
Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:29pm GMT
NEW YORK, Sept 18 (Reuters) - A single large sell order in the benchmark European Brent oil market, followed by an abrupt U-turn among high-frequency traders, may have caused one of the most abrupt price routs ever, brokers and analysts said on Tuesday.
As the dust settled on Monday's four-minute, nearly $4 plunge, other possible causes such as an erroneous "fat finger" trade, a computer program run amok or a broad, rumor-driven sell-off were set aside in favor of a combination of one big trade - potentially as much as 12 million barrels worth some $1.4 billion - and tens of thousands of computerized orders.
"There was most likely a large fundamental seller in the market yesterday," said Eric Scott Hunsader, Chief Executive of Nanex, a trading consultancy that regularly conducts detailed forensic analysis of erratic market activity.
But assuming a single seller got the ball rolling lower, it was algorithmic traders that almost certainly extended and intensified the decline, causing a 20-fold spike in volume as risk limits or automated price triggers fueled selling.
Prices fell moderately at first, with Brent crude dropping by just 98 cents over the first three minutes. But the sell-off intensified over 46 seconds after 13:53:56 p.m., at which point market-makers may have been forced to liquidate.
"We can see from looking at the tick data that initially the High Frequency market makers were willing to absorb their position around $98 a barrel in U.S. crude," said Hunsader, who examined detailed trading data in the NYMEX market.
Separately, several broker sources said the sell-off originated in the Brent market.
"This created what the CFTC has described in the past as a 'hot potato' event, where the position was rapidly passed on in a way that looks very similar to the equity market 'flash crash' in May 2010."Last edited by uls; September 19th, 2012 at 10:54 AM.
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September 19th, 2012 11:33 PM #1558
oil had a good run
the smart money has taken profits. others follow
this is what happens when everyone rushes to the exit
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Oil falls on Saudi pressure to keep prices down
By Simon Falush | Reuters – 14 mins ago
LONDON (Reuters) - Brent crude oil futures slid to a six-week low on Wednesday, as the market digested comments from the world's largest oil exporter Saudi Arabia that it would take action to keep prices in check, raising expectations of increased supply.
On Tuesday an OPEC Gulf source said Saudi Arabia was pumping around 10 million barrels per day (bpd) and working to keep oil prices down.Last edited by uls; September 19th, 2012 at 11:41 PM.
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September 20th, 2012 08:47 AM #1559
Prices now at $108.
I wonder how the market would react to QE from BoE and BoJ's move of asset purchases? Pero sabagay, mas mabigat yung weight nung announcement ng Saudi. They (OPEC) could probably just increase production a bit more.
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