"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[ghosthunter]

get back to the topic guys. GH pls edit yours and others personal unrelated attacks. what school did you come from. sheesh. MODS!

I guess it's worth it, given it's the only thing that seems to get a rise from you guys to post beyond another re-posted news article about your product(s).

[OyiL]

I guess it's worth it, given it's the only thing that seems to get a rise from you guys to post beyond another re-posted news article about your product(s).

i guess that means you miss us a lot. a real lot. so you resort to insults and post deletion to make us come on board.

[marg]

A boiler, steam turbine and electric generator good for 0.5 Megawatts. Methane storage facilities, biogas generators and all the skilled and unskilled labor required to run such a facility. And transport for all the bio-mass needed to feed the biogas generators/digesters.

Sounds expensive to setup and run. Far from the "free" you were saying earlier.

And who ends up paying for this? The government again using tax payer's money?

Not to mention, you need to rent a space in expensive Makati. A leased space for such a facility would cost at least P50,000/month or more.

After everything, you will find out it would be cheaper and less cumbersome to just plug in to the non-green Meralco line.

[ghosthunter]

i guess that means you miss us a lot. a real lot. so you resort to insults and post deletion to make us come on board.

If you want me to undelete your post. Why not.

Here is your post (undeleted):
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...&postcount=958

those who know more about the facts should educate instead of throwing insults. i know that no school includes insult throwing as part of their offered curriculum. but im beginning to think that i have been wrong all the time. ganyan ba turo sa la salle? marg, san ka nag-aral? ganyan be turo sa pinag-aralan mong school? andywest?

kung matatalino at edukado kayo, itama nyo ang pagkakamali sa tamang paraan. matuto kayo magrespeto.

And you are still posting nonsense which is the primary reason why I deleted your previous post.

Frankly I don't see you posting any differently right now.

Whatever you would call my posts on this thread, I still add to the general information on this thread. Can you say the same about your recent posts? Or are you down to just heckling from the sidelines?

So starting now Oyil, if you are going to post anything on this thread, make sure you are adding to the thread otherwise I will delete them.

[kitsons]

If you want me to undelete your post. Why not.

Here is your post (undeleted):
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...&postcount=958


And you are still posting nonsense which is the primary reason why I deleted your previous post.

Frankly I don't see you posting any differently right now.

Whatever you would call my posts on this thread, I still add to the general information on this thread. Can you say the same about your recent posts? Or are you down to just heckling from the sidelines?

So starting now Oyil, if you are going to post anything on this thread, make sure you are adding to the thread otherwise I will delete them.

gh your postings dating parang debate hindi discussion as you tend to point out certain points stated but simply do not put it in focus with the totality of the post as in viability is not free. you did not put in the configuration the incomes generated by the "free" power generation is an offset situation wherein start up capital required to set up the power generating plant is eventually compensated and that there is enough incomes generated byt the use of a small power generating plant even enough for its maintenance and replacement of parts consume3d in operations.

If you really know biogas generation, you would know the different types of biogas generators of which there is a type wherein there is continuous feedstock flow that would make storage not that big asthe biogas is consumed thusremoved from storage.

Maya industries have actually been using the technology for decades since the late 60's nga ba or early 70's, I forget exactly when they started but read in the news that they totally produced their own electricity requirements for their food processing facilityies.

My friend who leaved at the back of the atomic research ceneter have been in fact using a small biodigester of which I was informed that according to their experience two kgs of organic material actually produces for them one hour of cooking flame for their two burner lpg stgove. They utilized only 700 sq m that even include a 200 sq m floor areqa for their house and the two pigs, a handful of chicken some papaya trees and around a hundred sq m of rice paddy was sufficient enough to supply them the biogas needed for cooking their meal that they never bough lpg edver since they bought their small biodigester, a cylindrical pressure tank looking gadget less than 6 feet high and less than two feet in diameter. Juxtapose this with the situation of a 2,00 hectare agricultural area or even a tall office building with perhaps a thousand people working in them... there are big possibilities.

The actual real experiences of people who have used the technology though are not engineers. My friend's father was a noted cardiac surgeon and the mom was the known as the original green advocate and a professional nurse who have been practicing zero waste management. No garbage go out of their place except bottles and cans which some suki scavenger picks up every Saturday.

In our working group of associates, we do not cut down people in a personalan way but we express our hesitancies on proposal with direct pointing out what we think is wrong with issues... however, before we do point out issues, we first ask one another for explanations in areas where we are not so knowledgeable in aspects then when we are only sure that our opposition holds water, then we shoot. The beuty about it is that we all come from different backgrounds so we view things from different angles and thus we get to see a more rounded perspective of reaching our objectives.

By having this disposition of being supportive rather than confrontational, we work with no bruised feelings that hinder us from moving on towards our goal.

Some of the discussions in this thread reminds me of the discussions in one web group I got involved in the past where the owner moderator began censoring and so the five major contributors to good ideas for the supposed cause oriented would be organization dropped out with me also.

Nagkapikahan kasi as things got personal since discussions became debates and debate tac-tics were used as irritating people to get them off guard, proof texting, begging the question and other fallacies that it came to a point di na usapan on the objective of the group was the constant topic but divisive personal views on life in general and face-saving as well as pataasan ng ihi.

Whereas before more than 20 prolific posters posted with new ones coming in, now I receive email from the web group from only the supposed appointed president of the stillborn cause oriented organization and about two others of the same camp who never really contributed much to giving ideas on how to pursue the objective of the web group. I have not unsubscribed cause if the moderator owner would only have remorse for the high handed way he treated those with views against him, I would still be there to help the group get back on its feet again as I found the objective of the group really worthy to pursue.

In contrast, there are a few of us here in tsikot who have been silently working together and thank God, at last we may have something come to reality. We maintain confidentiality as we know that there are certain personalities that really are not the supportive type who may be more of a liability to reaching objectives.

At any rate, as mentioned we are still doing our R&D to configure what is needed to operate a viable biogas power generator involving others not with tsikot also.

We actually can go conventional with the use of an incinerator using crop waste as a friend in Negros has done wherein he was able to generate 54 megawatts of electricity from burning bagasse with a seven storey high boiler producing steam for a steam turbine. Wish I had discussed with him about ROI's and payback period to assist financial study involving time and motion on the micro power generating plant.

Seems ideas from the the thread is thinning out as seems is turning into a debate here so if the discussion is really on who is a better man rather than sorting out ides bow na me.

I was hoping to get inputs to help build a biogas power generation system to enable the e-jeepneys to get on the road but if no constructive ideas to help in this objective comes out of this thread, I guess, giving ideas to the group of which we are already studying may be just a waste of time since apparently there is no interest in pursuing the approach to making the e-jeepney viable by allowing a self-liquidating self-sustaining system of power generation to be set up.

Do not want to venture on why such is, but simply just rest my case here and continue with our research quietly with the guys am working with.

Am posting this for the purpose of perhaps giving ideas on how to better manage discussions so it may be more constructive to benefit one and all.

I just hope the personal attacks would end and serious discussions on how to make the e-jeepneys get on the road are posted. If however this thread is a debate of whether the e-jeepney should be on the road or not. I do not belong here since I personally have the stand that it is a must for e-vehicles replace fossil fuel combustion engines with the catastrophic damage they have caused to our environment that have caused even climate changes that have killed thousands and rendered millions homeless.

There is much to do to assist in giving solutions, really a waste of time debating when the problem is blatantly in front of our faces.

[ghosthunter]

*Kitsons

Maybe the problem is you are trying too much on add on the concept of the e-jeepney which already has a very negative reception on the people here?

Frankly the problem with the e-jeepney is the people behind it does not want to admit to it's (obvious) shortcomings. That may come out as deception to people which doesn't help the issue more.

So if you see it that way, then you try adding "free electricity" to the issue, you will just get mixed up with the existing problem.

Maybe you can see it that way with the current reception you are having.

If you are arguing about debate tactics being used, it is probably because normal technical/financial discussions have been ignored or totally getting nowhere. As earlier mentioned, it seems to be the only way to get a rise out of them to even respond in any sort of matter (aside from the occasional reposting of news articles).

Maybe the problem is how the "topic" was presented? E-jeepney "monitor thread"? What kind of topic is that? It is like someone asking people to "look at my creation and be astonished". The problem there is not that, the problem is the "creation" is kinda riddled with problems and shortcomings. Not a problem if the people behind it admits to them and accepts suggestions.

Anyway, if you still want to get advise and suggestions and other inputs/help for your farm waste power plant ideas, I strongly suggest to start a new discussion thread away from this "research subforum" which already has too much negative feelings from the people here.

I still think there are still many people who are willing to contribute, only if it was presented in the correct manner. Just review the other threads about car owners asking for help and you will see a very different attitude being presented.

Sometimes the issue behind it all is not as clear as we might think.

[marg]

Kitsons,

Why don't you give us a financial run-down of what it takes to run a biogas project in the middle of Makati.

Then we will decide if it truly is "Free" as you claim.

[ghosthunter]

this is not personal....just my observations.

For someone who ASKED for his account to be BANNED, I find it questionable why you still want to post here.

Did someone call your bluff?

[ghost buster]

Lurker for the longest time of this thread. Finally decided to post. Found it in the internet. And Im positive about the e-jeepney.

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[ghosthunter]

Lurker for the longest time of this thread. Finally decided to post. Found it in the internet. And Im positive about the e-jeepney.

Yeah right ... And I am so sure your handle has nothing to do with mine?

Especially your first two posts (of a newly created account) landed squarely on the two electric vehicle threads (3 wheelers and this one).

I am sure finding what you found wasn't a big accident especially the source where it's posted. hay!