"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

[fourtheboys96]

I'm all for the green technology stuff etc. But in the case of electric vehicles, it is not always "green".

If support infrastructure is not fully developed, tailpipe emissions are just transferred to another place. Or the pollution may just be in another form and not smoke.

Electric vehicles is not new. But you have to wonder why even the most technologically advanced country is not fully into it. They have to provide high amounts of subsidies and incentives to buyers just to increase the demand for it.

My point is that prior to implementing some "green initiatives", careful study and planning is needed.

Hindi porket walang usok eh "environmental friendly". Tingnan natin ang buong sistema ng transportation.

[aargh]

check out the latest issue of TopGear Phils. Theres an interview of the Pinoy designer from Mercedes Benz and his designs for the modern jeepney. Very nice.

[ghosthunter]

I'm all for the green technology stuff etc. But in the case of electric vehicles, it is not always "green".

If support infrastructure is not fully developed, tailpipe emissions are just transferred to another place. Or the pollution may just be in another form and not smoke.

Electric vehicles is not new. But you have to wonder why even the most technologically advanced country is not fully into it. They have to provide high amounts of subsidies and incentives to buyers just to increase the demand for it.

My point is that prior to implementing some "green initiatives", careful study and planning is needed.

Hindi porket walang usok eh "environmental friendly". Tingnan natin ang buong sistema ng transportation.

Well said.

If you have noticed, every article written about the e-jeepney has one major issue lacking, the view of the whole system including where the power used to recharge the batteries are coming from and the eventual disposal of used lead acid batteries.

[ghosthunter]

http://www.worstpolluted.org/project...rts/display/65

[SIZE="4"]Top 10 Worst Pollution Problems 2008
#7: Used Lead Acid Battery Recycling[/SIZE]


Description

Lead acid batteries are rechargeable batteries made of lead plates situated in a ‘bath’ of sulfuric acid within a plastic casing. They are used in every country in world, and can commonly be recognized as “car batteries”. The batteries can be charged many times, but after numerous cycles of recharging, lead plates eventually deteriorate causing the battery to lose its ability to hold stored energy for any period of time.1 Once the lead acid battery ceases to be effective, it is unusable and deemed a used lead acid battery (ULAB), which is classified as a hazardous waste under the Basel Convention.


Context

Recycled lead is a valuable commodity and for many people in the developing world the recovery of car and similar batteries (ULABs) can be a viable and profitable business. Therefore, the market for reclaiming secondary lead has been growing, especially in developing countries. Many developing countries have entered the business of buying ULABs in bulk in order to recycle them for lead recovery. These ULABs are often shipped over long distances for recycling, typically from the industrialized countries that produce, use, and then collect the spent batteries for reprocessing.3 Currently ULAB recycling occurs in almost every city in the developing world, and even in some countries in rapid transition. ULAB recycling and smelting operations are often located in densely populated urban areas with few (if any) pollution controls. In many cases the local recycling operations are not managed in an environmentally sound manner and release lead contaminated waste into the local environment and eco systems in critical quantities. Blacksmith Institute estimates that over 12 million people are affected by lead contamination from processing of Used Lead Acid Batteries throughout the developing world.


As urban centers in the Global South become more populated the confluence of high unemployment rates, with increased car ownership, have led to a proliferation of informal ULAB reconditioning and recovery activities. These are often conducted by economically marginalized members of society, needing an additional source of income, but without any understanding of the risks involved. The informal process of recovering secondary lead from the ULABs includes breaking the batteries manually with an axe. In many cases, informal battery melting is a subsistence activity, and undertaken in homes (even in the kitchen), using archaic melting operations to recover and sell the secondary lead to the larger processers. Despite efforts by government agencies and the industry to bring safer and more efficient practices into this stage of the recycling process, ignorance of the risks of lead contamination combined with a lack of viable economic alternatives has led to the systemic poisoning of many poor populations throughout the developing world.

About 6 million tons of lead is used annually, on a worldwide basis, of which roughly three-quarters goes into the production of lead-acid batteries, which are used in automobiles, industry and a wide range of other applications. Much of this existing demand for lead is met through the recycling of secondary material and in particular from lead recovered from Used Lead-Acid Batteries (ULAB). This high level of recycling is very effective in reducing the volumes of lead dumped in the environment and in minimizing the need for mining more ores. However, in many places, much of the recycling is done on an informal basis, in unhygienic and dangerous conditions and resulting in serious lead poisoning of the recyclers themselves and the neighboring communities.


Exposure Pathways

Throughout the informal recycling process, there are opportunities for exposure. Most often the battery acid, which contains lead particulates, is haphazardly dumped on the ground, waste pile or into the nearest water body. As the lead plates are melted, lead ash falls into the surrounding environment, collects on clothing, or is directly inhaled by people in close proximity.

Soil containing lead compounds can turn to dust and become airborne, enabling the lead compounds to be easily inhaled or ingested in a variety of ways. Lead can also leach into water supplies. Children, in particular are often exposed to lead when playing on the waste furnace slag and handling rocks or dirt containing lead, while engaging in typical hand-to-mouth activity, as well as by bringing objects covered with lead dust back into the home. The most common route of exposure for children is ingestion, as lead dust often covers clothing, food, soil and toys.


Health Effects

Acute lead poisoning can occur when people are directly exposed to large amounts of lead through inhaling dust, fumes or vapors dispersed in the air. However, chronic poisoning from absorbing low amounts of lead over long periods of time is a much more common and pervasive problem. Lead can enter the body through the lungs or the mouth, and over long periods can accumulate in the bones. Health risks include impaired physical growth, kidney damage, retardation, and in extreme cases even death. Lead poisoning can lead to tiredness, headache, aching bones and muscles, forgetfulness, loss of appetite and sleep disturbance.

This is often followed by constipation and attacks of intense pain in the abdomen, called lead colic.5 Extreme cases of lead poisoning, can cause convulsions, coma, delirium and possibly death. Children are more susceptible to lead poisoning than adults and may suffer permanent neurological damage. Women that are pregnant and become exposed to lead can result in damage to the fetus and birth defects.
Some sites that have been noted as examples of the problem

Thiaroye Sur Mer, Dakar, Senegal
Bajos de Haina, Dominican Republic
Picnic Garden, Kolkata, India


What is Being Done

The challenges of ULABs are recognized by the industry and by the Basel Secretariat, who administers the relevant Convention. In some countries, the recycling systems have become formalized and are more or less well regulated. However, in many poorer countries, there is a large informal component alongside the established, larger recyclers. The Blacksmith Institute is currently trying to mitigate lead pollution from ULABs in seven countries around the world with a project entitled, “The Initiative for Responsible Battery Recycling”. The project focuses on ending endemic exposure to lead from improper ULAB recycling through education, remediation of legacy contaminated soils, developing new responsible policies on appropriate management of ULAB, and either formalizing the ULAB collection or providing other sources of income for the informal sector operators.

[ghost buster]

I'm all for the green technology stuff etc. But in the case of electric vehicles, it is not always "green".

If support infrastructure is not fully developed, tailpipe emissions are just transferred to another place. Or the pollution may just be in another form and not smoke.

Electric vehicles is not new. But you have to wonder why even the most technologically advanced country is not fully into it. They have to provide high amounts of subsidies and incentives to buyers just to increase the demand for it.

My point is that prior to implementing some "green initiatives", careful study and planning is needed.

Hindi porket walang usok eh "environmental friendly". Tingnan natin ang buong sistema ng transportation.

Palagay ko naman ay masusi ring pinag-aralan yan e-jeepney. Maaring nga lang na may kakulangan sya at tama lang na punahin yun.

Pero palagay ko ay simula ang e-jeepney. Sabi ko nga hindi perpekto pero isang magandang simula. Lalo kung kasama dito ay ang pgpapatupad at implementasyon ng batas tulad ng RE law.

Keysa naman sa walang siimulan at hayaan yng mga mausok na patok jeepney na bwisit sa kalye at lansangan.

[ghosthunter]

Pero palagay ko ay simula ang e-jeepney. Sabi ko nga hindi perpekto pero isang magandang simula. Lalo kung kasama dito ay ang pgpapatupad at implementasyon ng batas tulad ng RE law.

Keysa naman sa walang siimulan at hayaan yng mga mausok na patok jeepney na bwisit sa kalye at lansangan.

The e-jeepney might be a start, but might be a start in the wrong direction.

As mentioned time and time again, the people promoting the e-jeep have no specific plans for critical aspects of the ejeep. Examples are the sources of "green" power to charge the batteries and a clean & "green" way to either dispose or recycle used lead acid batteries. Current methods of "recycling" lead acid batteries tend to contaminate/poison the land, air/water and the people working/living in the area.

[ghost buster]

The e-jeepney might be a start, but might be a start in the wrong direction.

As mentioned time and time again, the people promoting the e-jeep have no specific plans for critical aspects of the ejeep. Examples are the sources of "green" power to charge the batteries and a clean & "green" way to either dispose or recycle used lead acid batteries. Current methods of "recycling" lead acid batteries tend to contaminate/poison the land, air/water and the people working/living in the area.

Nakita ko yung plano (ng e-jeepney proponents) kaya meron naman. Kaya lang mabagal ang investments sa "green power" para sa e-jeepney.

Di ko rin alam kung paano nga yung pag-dispose ng baterya.

Pero sabi ko nga may potensyal ang e-jeepney kasi may RE law kaya kung matutuloy ang mga "planned investments sa RE " isang malaking tulong ito sa mga proponents ng e-jeepney at lumawak ang paggamit nito.

Uulitin ko, panahon na para i-retiro yung mga pangit, bulok at mausok na jeepney lalo sa Metro Manila. Lalo lang nakakadagdag sa kapangitan ng Maynila lalo na yung mga patok jeepney sa amin na simbolo ng kawalan ng kaunlaran ng industriya ng sasakyan sa Pinas.

Kaya ang e-jeepney, pati na rin yung proposed mong bagong LPG powered jeepney (pangmalayuan siguro)ay isang malaking adisyon sa pagbabago.

Isang article na nakita ko para sa RE law.

[SIZE=4]RP eyes renewable energy hub status[/SIZE]

By Donnabelle L. Gatdula
(The Philippine Star) Updated October 11, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0)
MANILA, [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Philippines[/color][/color] - The Philippines is being envisioned to become a regional hub for renewable energy projects in the near term, an energy official said.
Energy assistant secretary Mario Marasigan said the development of new renewable energy projects would spur growth in the manufacturing sector as well.
“One of the visions we’re working on, if we develop the resources, then we can develop the technologies. If it works well, then the market will be there,” he said.
If the country will be able to boost investments in RE, many manufacturing companies would put their factories here.
The Renewable Energy Act was passed in 2008. Since then, there were about 205 contracts signed by the DOE for new RE projects amounting to P88 billion or equivalent to 4,400 MW worth of new capacities.
Some 382 proposals are now being evaluated by the DOE and are expected to be approved soon.
At present, SunPower Philippines Manufacturing Ltd., a unit of the US-based solar technology developer, has a manufacturing plant in Laguna.
Marasigan said they are optimistic to see more assembly plants such as Sunpower in the near future.
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=66

[ghosthunter]

Nakita ko yung plano (ng e-jeepney proponents) kaya meron naman. Kaya lang mabagal ang investments sa "green power" para sa e-jeepney.

And who is going to invest in the government for such a haphazardly planned idea?

At best, no one would want a methane fueled power plant in their own "backyard".

For such a strong supporter of the e-jeepney in the past, Makati City never even made moves to have "green power" investments. I have my opinions against any city in Metro Manila would make the move for the proposed power plant.

Di ko rin alam kung paano nga yung pag-dispose ng baterya.

And how "green" can a project be when there is no complete plan how to complete cycle? How to dispose of used toxic lead acid batteries?

Admit it, the e-jeepney is nothing but a sham of a "green" project. It is just surviving on the media mileage it gets from publicity stunts by politicians.

Pero sabi ko nga may potensyal ang e-jeepney kasi may RE law kaya kung matutuloy ang mga "planned investments sa RE " isang malaking tulong ito sa mga proponents ng e-jeepney at lumawak ang paggamit nito.

Planning investments? And where are the financial studies to show that the e-jeepney would actually be a money making project?

All I can see now is the e-jeepney project as a whole is one big money pit.

Uulitin ko, panahon na para i-retiro yung mga pangit, bulok at mausok na jeepney lalo sa Metro Manila. Lalo lang nakakadagdag sa kapangitan ng Maynila lalo na yung mga patok jeepney sa amin na simbolo ng kawalan ng kaunlaran ng industriya ng sasakyan sa Pinas.

You cannot do a forced retirement of the old jeepneys. You haven't learned from the past. You have to make the jeepney owners and operators WANT the change.

The e-jeepney project will fail because you don't have a good enough replacement for the current jeepney. Too slow, too limited in range, too much hassle to recharge 8 hours a day and cannot drive uphills on a full load of passengers.

No one wants it beyond the few politician who wants it as a billboard to plaster their name and face on it's sides for the "media mileage".

Even if the old jeepneys are old, bulok and mausok, they can perform better in their required jobs than the e-jeepney could.

Go faster, check!
Carry an overload of people and still move, check!
Go further in a day, check!
Refuels in minutes (not 8 hours), check!
Refuels anywhere, check!
Go uphills without problems, check!

Kaya ang e-jeepney, pati na rin yung proposed mong bagong LPG powered jeepney (pangmalayuan siguro)ay isang malaking adisyon sa pagbabago.

My proposed LPG-Jeepney is less radical and it stands at a better position of getting adopted.

Isang article na nakita ko para sa RE law.

The RE law is just a pipe dream cause going "green" was so much in fashion at the time.

But will you want to exchange food for fuel? Because that is what it is when you get down to the basics. For a country who can not even grow enough food to feed it's own people and have to import tons of rice, this country should be focusing on other issues before things like the "RE law".

[ghost buster]

At best, no one would want a methane fueled power plant in their own "backyard".


But will you want to exchange food for fuel? Because that is what it is when you get down to the basics. For a country who can not even grow enough food to feed it's own people and have to import tons of rice, this country should be focusing on other issues before things like the "RE law"

San Mateo pinag-iisipan namin.


Bossing, pagkain para sa fuel? Pagkaalam ko ang RE ay may kinalaman dito.

The law also provides for the establishment of a Renewable Portfolio Standard system, which would require electricity suppliers to source a certain amount of their energy supply from renewable resources such as wind, solar, hydro, geothermal and biomass.http://www.powergenworldwide.com/ind...nto-force.html

Yun nga lang medyo tama ka malaking investments ito.

[ghosthunter]

Just mentioning:

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