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    Quote Originally Posted by [archie] View Post
    ^wow! What's with tesla, aside from its electric cars. Did they manage to get investors for mass production or something?
    they're making money

    everybody was expecting they'll report a loss in Q2

    http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...r%20Letter.pdf
    Tesla Motors, Inc. – Second Quarter 2013 Shareholder Letter
     Net income (non-GAAP) increased 70% from Q1 to $26M
     Record sales of 5,150 Model S vehicles in North America
     Gross margin of 22% (non-GAAP), despite significant reduction in ZEV credits
     On track to achieve Q4 gross margin of 25%, excluding ZEV credits
     Strong balance sheet with almost $750 million in cash and no government debt
     Primary focus is on expanding production to meet worldwide demand
    Last edited by uls; August 9th, 2013 at 01:11 PM.

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    #7772
    The last I've heard of tesla was they can't manage to produce a lot of cars to meet the demand. 750m with no government debt is a very strong indication of viable market in the electric car business.

    Kala ko talaga dati babagsak yung company.

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    No, the problem with Tesla is that it's only the shining hope of the electric automotive industry. If you think of electric, you usually won't think of Leafs or Priuses.. the ones leading the forefront is now just Tesla Motors. Couple that with a very charismatic Elon Musk and you got a company that's overvalued by valuation. But in investing, you're looking at future promise after all not the current promise.

    The jump in Tesla was because they outperformed analyst EPS estimates by double of their estimation. Analyst were expecting $0.20 Q2 EPS earnings, Tesla delivered $0.40.

    If you dig deep down, they're actually not profitable in their core operations as assumed by a negative number on cash from operations. However, the black ink is the fruits of legislation. In Q1, they churned out a $11 million net earnings.. digging down more deeply, you'll be greeted by $85 million in income from green tax laws. $68 million from ZEV credits and $17 million from greenhouse gas credits. Not to mention there's the $1b additional shares to pay off government debt which translated into a $11 million warranty liability savings. By far, Tesla was in the red in just the manufacture of their cars.

    From then, they're banking on rapid expansion for economies of scale to push down the production costs. However, there's still hurdles to be done. For example, the construction of numerous "Superchargers" doesn't come at a cheap price. Not to mention not all governments are willing to legislate "green" laws such as in our country.

    I haven't read nor analyzed their Q2 reports atm.. it's my task to do in the evening

    Take note that Tesla's market capitalization at the moment is higher than Fiat Group's total equity in their 2012 annual report. And that says a lot about how excited the market is.
    Last edited by jhnkvn; August 9th, 2013 at 03:35 PM.

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    #7774
    tesla is a momentum stock

    the market is pricing in earnings growth but if earnings growth slows the stock will decline sharply

    like what happened to AAPL, NFLX

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    Japan GDP big miss


    Japan, the world's third-largest economy, grew an annualized 2.6 percent in the second quarter, a third straight quarter of expansion but slower than a downwardly revised 3.8 percent rate in the first quarter.

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    #7776
    boom!




    BlackBerry directors explore a sale of the company - Aug. 12, 2013

    BlackBerry's board of directors is exploring the option of selling the company, said the smartphone maker on Monday.

    BlackBerry's (BBRY) directors have formed a special committee "to explore strategic alternatives to enhance value and increase scale" in order to boost sales of its BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

    "These alternatives could include, among others, possible joint ventures, strategic partnerships or alliances, a sale of the company or other possible transactions," said the Canadian company.

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    #7777
    US equities look toppy

    ran out of reasons to go higher


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    #7778
    It's about time. But I fear they admitted their mistakes way too late. By the time they launched their Z10 with its propriety Blackberry software, the market was already crowded with iOS and Android makers. Hopefully, they can still leverage their expertise in corporate security thanks to their Blackberry Network (BBM and all). I was a former investor when I saw their decline and was fooled by their cash flow generation and increasing revenues (thanks to distribution networks from Americas to global), but I kinda got burned in 2012

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    #7779
    Following the footsteps of Palm OS...

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    #7780
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Following the footsteps of Palm OS...
    Seems like it. Mga dating leaders na ngayon for sale na. Sino kaya okay na bumili? Lenovo? They have great ambitions in the smartphone industry e.

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