The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[OyiL]

No arguments re: utility and LPG.



And their only source of data is new vehicle registrations. Ever wonder why they don't present a study on buyer profiles or a breakdown of what cars make up that mix? How many of those registrations of "new" vehicles that are used as commercial vehicles and which are not covered by government exemption? That would be telling.

Take note:

I do not support a ban on the importation of secondhand vehicles. Instead, I would push for the proper implementation of taxes on secondhands and stringent roadworthiness tests. This would kill any claim that imports are killing the market.

How?

Take a SUV-ic Pajero. How much does it cost? Pennies.

And yet, if you apply the proper taxes, (100% luxury tax based on brand new price, considering it's an import), force converters to use brand new LHD conversion parts and force it to undergo roadworthiness testing (ala UK or Japan), it'll cost 1.5 million pesos. Who'd buy it then over a local unit costing half that?

And yet the government allowed these cars in, with loopholes because they were declared salvage, or under-declared. Customs didn't go by their book value, so they snuck in.

And the LTO and LTFRB don't do their job in keeping dangerous old trucks ,buses and jeeps off our street. If they simply impounded all the non-roadworthy vehicles, our public fleets would gradually become more modern. Simply impound all RHD-LHD conversions that use RHD racks welded in on the wrong side of the car and you'll take thousands of imports off the street.

Just look at the taxi fleets and how they improved after they cracked down on the "rolling coffins".

It merely takes proper enforcement to improve the situation, not more laws. My beef with the whole thing is they're wasting so much time and energy on legislation, when it's spending more money on proper implementation that's the problem.

(Of course, lawmakers, being as they are, would rather make more laws than fix the problems that exist... like the move to 12 years of basic education being pushed by P.Noy... we don't even have enough teachers for our current 10 year system... and, as us teachers know... the problem isn't the number of years, but the lack of investment in manpower and teaching materials that is holding us back...)

that has the same effect as banning used second hand cars. pwede na rin yan. local manufacturers will have to bring in or locally build brand new cars that will cover the current used car market.

[niky]

that has the same effect as banning used second hand cars. pwede na rin yan. local manufacturers will have to bring in or locally build brand new cars that will cover the current used car market.

Correct on the first part.

On the second part, though. No. It's not quite possible yet to build brand new cars that will compete well with the used car market.

Again, take a look at what's happening now... Chery is suffering locally because, even though their cars are incredibly cheap, buyers would rather buy secondhand Corollas and Civics than buy brand new Chery cars.

Like GH has mentioned... brand snobbery is a big obstacle to overcome.

[jpdm]

for the slow:

wiki:

O nag-wiki ka pa. wala bang mas credible na sorce dyan? Pag pinagreport ka sa graduate scholl pagtatawanan ka lang.

Anyway, yan tama yan basahin mo yan. Slow ka kasi. Mahina kang umintindi. tira ka ng tira mali mali ka naman.

Galing mo pang magp-project.

Tsaka talaga bang naintindihan mo yung na-quote mo sa wiki.

Sa palagay mo ba kung strict sa standards i.e. strict emission rules thus creating a clean environment, safety by installing seat belt; maintaining thousands of jobs by encouraging CKD assembly and control of smuggled second hand CBUs, the imposition of right taxes on brand new and second hand imported CBUs to increase government revenues are considered negative externalities, uls?

[uls]

another theory-only statement

obviously no real world experience in this area

Puwede namang mag-source ng piyesa sa mga available na used local engines. O kung maari gumamit ng bagong engines kahit Chinese.

sige nga, maghanap ka ng maayos na cylinder head para sa Isuzu 4BE1, 4HF1, or Fuso 4D33, 4D34 na "local"

subukan mo maghanap ng maayos segunyal ng 10PD1 or 8DC10 na "local"

subukan mo maghanap ng tandem differential para sa Isuzu dumptruck na "local"

do you know what your talking about?

what do you know about the market for engines and engine parts?

ever had any experience?

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China engines are crap

ever used a new China engine?

guess not

why don't you try one on your ethnic motor vehicle

wala sinabi ang China engines sa Japan used engines

ilan buwan lang sira na ang China engines

wala pa mabiling piesa dito

throw away

malayo pa ang China sa Japan pagdating sa makina

you're not qualified to make recommendations in this area

you don't have experience

[jpdm]

sabi ni jpdm:
from the article (page 26):

^^^
clear govt endorse of the Beep

O naintindihan mo yung na-quote mo sa article?

Mukhang hindi pa rin. Malinaw na sinasabi alternative brand new PUJ including the BEEP. Wala akong sinabi na ang immediate replacement ng PUJ ay BEEP. DI ba?


Nakasanayan mona kasing magbaluktot ng statements ng iba para maging bida kayo tulad ng knight knight in the shining armor mo.
Hindi ko naman na deny na si Suansing inindorso BEEP pero hindi rin sinabi yan na ang papalit ay bEEP at wala ng iba di ba? Na pinagpipilitan mo sinabi ko. Na obviously gumagawa ka naman ng kwentong barbero.

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the new regulations are deliberately set too strict for PUJs to meet
they know a large number of PUJs can't meet the new standards
they are expecting 50% of PUJs to fail
the plan is to outlaw PUJs by using too-strict regulations
to open up a huge market for new-car-makers
the govt endorsement of the Beep is obvious regulatory capture by the new-car lobby somebody is too slow to pick up on what's happening behind the scenes

The plan is to outlaw PUJ?

Where did you get this idea? From your fertile imagination?

Where is your proof?

Pag napatunayan mo na yan ang gagawin ng gobyerno, sasambahin kita uls.

Pero kung yang sinasabi mo gawa-gawa lang ng delusive mind mo at guni guni mo lang.. barbero ka nga.

Fact is you are slow in understanding my posts but too fast his concocting your own reality..may pa behind behind the seen ka pa. E obviously fabrication mo lang yan.

[uls]

nope

you're the one who's slow

you can't even see govt regulators working for the interest of new-car-makers in that article

you can't even pick up something as obvious as that

[jpdm]

another theory-only statement

obviously no real world experience in this area


sige nga, maghanap ka ng maayos na cylinder head para sa Isuzu 4BE1, 4HF1, or Fuso 4D33, 4D34 na "local"

subukan mo maghanap ng maayos segunyal ng 10PD1 or 8DC10 na "local"

subukan mo maghanap ng tandem differential para sa Isuzu dumptruck na "local"

do you know what your talking about?

what do you know about the market for engines and engine parts?

ever had any experience?

--

China engines are crap

ever used a new China engine?

guess not

why don't you try one on your ethnic motor vehicle

wala sinabi ang China engines sa Japan used engines

ilan buwan lang sira na ang China engines

wala pa mabiling piesa dito

throw away

malayo pa ang China sa Japan pagdating sa makina

you're not qualified to make recommendations in this area

you don't have experience

Real world experience sa paghahanap ng piyesa? Meron naman. Hindi nga lang kasing galing mo.Hindi naman ako nagtitinda ng subic import. At hindi nagagawi sa subc na kung saan maraming kababalaghan ang nangyayari.hehehe

Tsaka may kasama akong expert. Di naman ako mekaniko o trader ng subic imports e.Pang personal lang o pagkasama kaibigan o barkada.

Sinabi ko lang ng Chinese engines kasi may kakilala ako na may 6 na truck syang binili mula sa JMC. Binili nya sa local distributor ng JMC sa amin. Na pagkaalam ko ay assembled dito. Hindi nya lang masabi kung pangit ang engine kasi 2 months pa lang sa kanya. At ok naman ang takbo.


may kasama ako, bumili ng dongfeng minivan wala naman syang reklamo so far 6 months na sa kanya. Wala namang nagsabing mas superior ang Chinese engines sa Japanese ones.

Yung kasama ko may 97 sl isuzu highlander. Nasira hydrovac ba yun?May nakuhang parts mula sa old highlander na chop-chop dito sa amin.

Nasira yung differential ng Mitsubishi Adventure yung friend ko. nakakuha ng spare sa mga shops dito sa probinsya namin.

By th way may tatlong shop sa probinsya namin na business nila ay bumili ng sasakyan and then i-chop-chop nila. Yun ang pinupuntahan namin for spare parts.


Yung MVDP will strictly control the entry of used vehicles. At the same time, the government and the assemblers will work together to make the auto industry viable by producing more brand new and affordable CKDs through the PBV project.

Tsaka wala naman nagsabi na biglaan e. kaya nga yung mismong MVDP will still allow importation of second hand imports at a limited scale.For the existing second hand users.

Pero eventually the plan of the government and private sector is through the MVDP, the vehicle market will be dominated by CKD operations with locally assembled vehicles having more local parts and rid off the country of garbage from Japan..

Read all the posts and articles regarding the MVDP.

[jpdm]

nope

you're the one who's slow

you can't even see govt regulators working for the interest of new-car-makers in that article

you can't even pick up something as obvious as that

Nope you are. Projection ka naman.

And you are too slow to understand that what you are saying is a baseless scenario coming from your fertile imagination.

When will you stop inventing stories uls?

I can always see through your scripts and spin. You are no different from your echo.

Actually what is obvious is you are making fantastic stories again uls. To protect your vested interests.

[uls]

Real world experience sa paghahanap ng piyesa? Meron naman. Hindi nga lang kasing galing mo.Hindi naman ako nagtitinda ng subic import. At hindi nagagawi sa subc na kung saan maraming kababalaghan ang nangyayari.hehehe

Tsaka may kasama akong expert. Di naman ako mekaniko o trader ng subic imports e.Pang personal lang o pagkasama kaibigan o barkada.

Sinabi ko lang ng Chinese engines kasi may kakilala ako na may 6 na truck syang binili mula sa JMC. Binili nya sa local distributor ng JMC sa amin. Na pagkaalam ko ay assembled dito. Hindi nya lang masabi kung pangit ang engine kasi 2 months pa lang sa kanya. At ok naman ang takbo.


may kasama ako, bumili ng dongfeng minivan wala naman syang reklamo so far 6 months na sa kanya. Wala namang nagsabing mas superior ang Chinese engines sa Japanese ones.

Yung kasama ko may 97 sl isuzu highlander. Nasira hydrovac ba yun?May nakuhang parts mula sa old highlander na chop-chop dito sa amin.

Nasira yung differential ng Mitsubishi Adventure yung friend ko. nakakuha ng spare sa mga shops dito sa probinsya namin.

By th way may tatlong shop sa probinsya namin na business nila ay bumili ng sasakyan and then i-chop-chop nila. Yun ang pinupuntahan namin for spare parts.

first of all, hindi ba supporter ka ng MVPMAP? baket hinahayaan mo bumili ng USED parts mga kakilala mo

dapat ituro mo sila sa mga members ng MVPMAP

dapat BRAND NEW locally made parts ang binibili nila

para makatulong naman sa mga members ng MVPMAP na operating at 40% capacity

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nakalimutan ko...

sa isang province ka pala

anong province yun?

somewhere south of Metro Manila yan diba?

medyo kilala ang province na yan sa mga chop-chop na sasakyan diba?

NA LOCAL

what was that you said about kababalaghan na nangyayari sa Subic?

how hypocritical

talk about kababalaghan

hahahaha

[jpdm]

first of all, hindi ba supporter ka ng MVPMAP? baket hinahayaan mo bumili ng USED parts mga kakilala mo

dapat ituro mo sila sa mga members ng MVPMAP

dapat BRAND NEW locally made parts ang binibili nila

para makatulong naman sa mga members ng MVPMAP na operating at 40% capacity

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nakalimutan ko...

sa isang province ka pala

anong province yun?

somewhere south of Metro Manila yan diba?

medyo kilala ang province na yan sa mga chop-chop na sasakyan diba?

NA LOCAL

what was that you said about kababalaghan na nangyayari sa Subic?

how hypocritical

talk about kababalaghan

hahahaha

hahaha...

Ikaw nga itong hypocritical dito. Mahilig ka kasi sa spin.Sorry di uubra style mo.


Nabasa mo ba post ko at sinabi ko na may tatlong shops na malapit sa amin na bumibili ng lumang sasakayan hindi para i-restore at ibenta uli kundi i-chop chop para sa piyesa? May version kami ng Banawe dito.Nabasa mo ba yung biniling piyesa mula sa lumang highlander?

(Ako kakabili ko lang sa alabang ng ilang piyesa ng 2003 Adventure na total wreck nabangga sa Slex.Medyo dami na ng kuhanan ng local second hands di ba?)

nakuha mo ba yun o hindi?

Malinaw yan a. kapag gumawa ka naman ng twist at ng echo mo e talagang bihasa na talaga kayo sa art of lying, spinning and twisitng facts.

E mukhang iba na naman ang interpretasyon mo negatibo na naman e.

Hay naku uls.

Wag mo kasing igaya dun sa tambayan mo sa Subic kasi maraming hokus focus dun...

Musta na? marami bang napuslit kahapon...



About being a supporter of MVPMAP, definitely.

Sigurado ka bang may taga MVPMAP na bumibili ng used parts. Patunayan mo wag kasi puro hearsay ka lang may behind the seen ka pa. Gusto ko concrete evidence at hindi puro twists at spin.

Pero on the other hand, sabi ko nga kahit ideally dapat total ban ang second hand. Hindi puede. Aminado naman ako kahit yung pinakabagong MVDP may provision na puedeng mag-import ng second hand parts. At kung nabasa mong maigi yung mga posts ko may mga entities (export firms, tourism-related industries etc.) sa Pinas na allowed to import second hand goods like vehicles (ambulance, construction machines like bulldozers, etc.) yung iba duty free pa.

Ang maganda lang yan hihigpitan na legal importation of second hand vehicles.

Sabi ko nga sa iyo kaya nagtataka ako kung bakit binanatan at pinagtulungan ninyo ako ng protektor mo e ang binabatan ko illegal na gawain na ang tawag ay smuggling. Napakalinaw.

Ikaw ba galit ka sa smuggling?