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    #531
    Quote Originally Posted by OyiL View Post
    would the mvdp be a form of support? in your opinion, do you believe that, if done properly, the mvdp would be able to help start the filipino brand car?
    Given the decades of history with the japanese car makers like Nissan, Toyota and Mitsubishi producing cars for the Philippine market with "agreements" with the national government for "technology transfer" schemes, the MVDP will just be another re-labeling of the previous "technology-transfer" agreements that have come and become forgotten.

    It is really well and good if you can enforce the agreements between the national government & the car companies for the aid to really develop a "filipino brand car" in the near future but ... honestly.... what kind of penalties can the government impose that the car companies will not "return in kind"?

    Example, if you have the agreement with Company X to do technology transfer to help us manufacture our own local engines, but after years, there is no significant movement in actually training filipino engineers and technicians to locally manufacture engines and all that has been done was assemble completely imported parts into engines.

    If the government imposes some increase in fees or import tax or even a hefty fine, the company can just threaten to close shop and move it's operation to China, Vietnam, etc citing the increase in operating cost has made it unfeasible to continue operations in the Philippines. This will make the government rethink its actions because of losses in revenue, jobs, etc.

    And if they actually pull out, we lose in more ways than one.

    And it has already happened in the past.

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    #532
    I can't believe that someone is accusing ULS as slow and dense.

    Maybe he haven't read the other threads where you could see uls' sensible posts and just sticks to one thread.

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    #533
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    mga PUJ wala working speedometer

    meron sila gauge pero di gumagana

    kasi wala nakakabit na speedometer cable

    wala sila handbrake... wala handbrake handle, wala handbrake cable, as in wala

    pag nakatigil, naka apak lang sa preno

    pag naka park, naka kambyo

    usually mga ilaw, wiper di gumagana

    PUJ operators won't spend on things like that

    they consider those things unneccessary

    basta kaya tumatakbo at kaya tumitigil, ok na yan

    anything else is unnecessary expense

    pero gagastos sila sa sound system haha

    madali lang naman magkabit ng mga yan

    pero ang tanong -- willing ba sila gumastos?

    eh yung mga gulong na kalbo ayaw palitan

    yung smoke belching ayaw ayusin (mahal kasi magpa-calibrate ng injection pump)

    kaya impossible yung sinasabi na papalitan ng bnew engines ang mga PUJ

    sobra kuripot ang mga operator

    speedometer and handbrake nga ayaw gastusan, bagong makina pa

    PUJ operators/drivers hate change

    they hate new regulations

    siguro when faced with the threat of phase out, magpapakatino sila

    mapipilitan sila sumunod sa new rules

    pero sigurado mag po-protesta mga yan

    sasabihin nila masyado mapang api ang gobyerno

    kahit papano, may political clout mga yan (PISTON, FEJODAP)

    leftist politicians will take their side

    we'll see nalang next year

    next year ang start ng enforcement ng LTO sa new regs

    we'll see if the govt succeeds in eliminating 50% of PUJs from the streets

    if it works, laking tuwa mga new-car-makers

    ready for rollout na kasi mga mini buses nila

    i'd like to see whose side Pres. Aquino will be on


    No offense * uls, naging Jeepney operator ka ba?

    You can relay with them...

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    #534
    Quote Originally Posted by renzo_d10 View Post
    I can't believe that someone is accusing ULS as slow and dense.

    Maybe he haven't read the other threads where you could see uls' sensible posts and just sticks to one thread.
    Just shows that the other party is shooting at everywhere else except at the "target".

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    #535
    di po ako naging jeepney operator

    we used to sell Japan surplus engines that jeepney assemblers and operators use

    Isuzu 4BA1, 4BC2, 4BE1, Fuso 4D30, 31, 32...

    parts too

    real world experience lang po

    i know how cost conscious PUJ operators are

    there's no way a PUJ operator will spend hundreds of thousands of pesos on a brand new engine

    Theory lang yan ng mga academic and govt planners

    you can threaten them with phase out kung ayaw nila sumunod sa gusto ng gobyerno

    pero lalaban mga yan

    kabuhayan nila yan eh (operators and drivers)

    pipilitin mo sila gumastos ng malaki para gawing "modern" ang PUJ?

    they will see it as oppression

    it won't be long before they figure out who the beneficiaries are

    kung new engines, sa casa sila bibili ng new engines

    kung phase out, sa casa manggagaling ang mga sasakyan na papalit sa PUJ

    this will become a rich vs. poor drama

    kaya meron dyan natawag na anti-poor

    pero hindi niya nagets baket siya natawag na anti-poor
    Last edited by uls; June 19th, 2010 at 06:59 PM.

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    #536
    True to uls' post.

    If you are a jeepney operator, you wouldn't want to be spending too much on a vehicle that you wouldn't use or won't add to your daily income.

    It's simply a waste of money for them. If the operators are to be " asked " if they could modernize their jeepneys by changing their engines then they would simply say " no " or just wouldn't care.

    Now, if they would be obliged in getting one ( a new engine ) then they would protest just like how they would if their wants cannot be given to them when they ask for a price hike.

    Simple as that. It cannot be done, it will never be.

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    #537
    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    And if they actually pull out, we lose in more ways than one.

    And it has already happened in the past.
    well, it wont be a total loss, not much on the millions of people who do not own cars. their pullout might even open up the segment to other players, like chinese, indian, and local startups. their local partners, if they have one, will just partner with other players which would offer cheaper alternatives.

    filipino brand: how it is defined is not clear to me at the moment. would it require local technology to qualify as filipino? i'll try and do a google on it first.

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    #538
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    mga PUJ wala working speedometer

    meron sila gauge pero di gumagana

    kasi wala nakakabit na speedometer cable

    wala sila handbrake... wala handbrake handle, wala handbrake cable, as in wala

    pag nakatigil, naka apak lang sa preno

    pag naka park, naka kambyo

    usually mga ilaw, wiper di gumagana

    PUJ operators won't spend on things like that

    they consider those things unneccessary

    basta kaya tumatakbo at kaya tumitigil, ok na yan

    anything else is unnecessary expense

    pero gagastos sila sa sound system haha

    madali lang naman magkabit ng mga yan

    pero ang tanong -- willing ba sila gumastos?

    eh yung mga gulong na kalbo ayaw palitan

    yung smoke belching ayaw ayusin (mahal kasi magpa-calibrate ng injection pump)

    kaya impossible yung sinasabi na papalitan ng bnew engines ang mga PUJ

    sobra kuripot ang mga operator

    speedometer and handbrake nga ayaw gastusan, bagong makina pa

    PUJ operators/drivers hate change

    they hate new regulations

    siguro when faced with the threat of phase out, magpapakatino sila

    mapipilitan sila sumunod sa new rules

    pero sigurado mag po-protesta mga yan

    sasabihin nila masyado mapang api ang gobyerno

    kahit papano, may political clout mga yan (PISTON, FEJODAP)

    leftist politicians will take their side

    we'll see nalang next year

    next year ang start ng enforcement ng LTO sa new regs

    we'll see if the govt succeeds in eliminating 50% of PUJs from the streets

    if it works, laking tuwa mga new-car-makers

    ready for rollout na kasi mga mini buses nila

    i'd like to see whose side Pres. Aquino will be on
    its time for operators to realize that those required features are more necessary than the stickers, antennas, fog lights, hood ornaments, stereo system. if they dont put these unnecessary ornamental parts on, they would then have enough money to pay for the required parts. somebody has to teach them what is right. may isang taon pa sila para magtabi ng pera para maikabit yung mga kailangan ikabit.

    yung pagpalit ng engines, may govt help diba?

    kailangan ma-educate yung mga operators na yan.

    beep and minibus vs jeepney: to jeepney assemblers ang pinagkaiba lang niyan e yung body. kung mauso nga yan e di mag-asemble na lang yung mga jeep builders ng jeepney-based, backyard-assembled beep killer. kaya naman nila.

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    #539
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    the guy is pilosopo man

    you say one thing

    he mis-interprets it

    then he accuses you of mis-interpretting him

    haha

    amazing

    and even if you post his own quote to show him what he said, he still denies he said it

    grabe

    he's beyond pilosopo
    it is also clear that you mis-interpret his posts. pareho lang naman kayo e. put this behind. lets restart and get back to the topic, please. ayan nakikiusap pa ako, sir.

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    #540
    Quote Originally Posted by OyiL View Post
    well, it wont be a total loss, not much on the millions of people who do not own cars. their pullout might even open up the segment to other players, like chinese, indian, and local startups. their local partners, if they have one, will just partner with other players which would offer cheaper alternatives.
    But would the local Filipinos would even buy cars made by chinese and indian brands? Just a quick look at the numbers would show that chinese brands, even cheap, is having a hard time penetrating the local market.

    If you would throw Tata with it's unsafe Nano into the mix, you might just see the same thing, people choosing to buy more used car but with established brands like Toyota, Honda, Nissan over buying a new indian brand car.

    Regarding the Nano, it will not pass any crash safety test. Filipinos already complain about how unsafe chinese cars are, the Nano is in the same group. Nearly all people would prefer to buy a ten year old used japanese car over the Nano based on many issues including safety.

    And still the biggest problem is that the Filipinos are brand snobs.

    Now consider the loss of employment when one car company pulls out. You might think a chinese or indian car company would just replace the lost jobs easily enough but you fail to consider that those "replacement" car companies wouldn't start a car business inthe country with a car assembly plant. They would start with importing CBUs until sales would make it reasonable to setup a local assembly plant for CKDs.

    But since it is a fact that chinese cars do not sell as well as other brands, these car companies might end up doing CBUs for a really really long time.

    And what about those people who lost their jobs? I doubt if they would be waiting & twiddling their collective thumbs for the local car industry to hire them. Chances are, they would be trying their luck abroad, not as OFWs but as potential immigrants to richer countries. So we lose here too as the brain drain goes on.


    filipino brand: how it is defined is not clear to me at the moment. would it require local technology to qualify as filipino? i'll try and do a google on it first.
    Well, its not as simple as putting a "filipino" brand on a product (example) imported straight from China.

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