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    #171
    All I can say to their whoever approved bringing in the Chinese made lineup:



    Very brisk sales of the Golf GTI and GTS before proved that VW buyers have money and are willing to spend it, but they want a proper Euro car.

    Why alienate your core Euro-loving audience and target the "budget meal" crowd who are willing to buy Chinese instead? Those guys will just buy Chery, Geely or Maxus instead of wasting money on the VW brand name. Tutal pare parehong Chinese made naman lahat.

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    #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya View Post
    All I can say to their whoever approved bringing in the Chinese made lineup:



    Very brisk sales of the Golf GTI and GTS before proved that VW buyers have money and are willing to spend it, but they want a proper Euro car.

    Why alienate your core Euro-loving audience and target the "budget meal" crowd who are willing to buy Chinese instead? Those guys will just buy Chery, Geely or Maxus instead of wasting money on the VW brand name. Tutal pare parehong Chinese made naman lahat.
    Maybe it is a move to please the people at SAIC(Ayala's partner) ? They could have sourced the global market Golf/Jetta/Passat from FAW-VW and the Polo from SAIC-VW if they think the price increase will be more than their customers will be willing to pay that they must source vehicles from china.

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    #173
    they believe that there is a sucker born every minute.

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    #174
    We were lucky that the dieselgate happened to VW, it paved the way for the Diesel models of the VW golf and Jetta to come to our shores at bargain prices.
    I still think most local car manufacturers are a bit out of touch with their consumers. Diesel will still be king as long as the price of diesel is way below that of unleaded gas.
    I don't think there is a local car model that is available in both diesel and gas engines wherein the gas engine would outsell the diesel model. Hyundai Accent? Just look at Toyota with the innova and fortuner, they dropped the gas engine already.
    VW phil should look to bring in more of their diesel engined cars/suv here in the country. If diesel cars will start to phase out in Europe then it might be logical to bring them over here.

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    #175
    Quote Originally Posted by ale828 View Post
    I still think most local car manufacturers are a bit out of touch with their consumers. Diesel will still be king as long as the price of diesel is way below that of unleaded gas.
    I am NOT against diesel, but I feel the fuel (despite all its benefits) is on its final stages

    Here's the thing about diesel, the last big market for it is "almost" gone -> India

    They have moved to BS-VI last year which reduced the available diesel cars available to their market.

    Without India and Europe, development for new engines to meet BS-6 and Euro-6 is just not practical

    Yes, this is the Philippines and we'll be stuck at Euro-4 for a very long time, but it will be difficult to see major improvements in local engines.

    Back to the VW topic.

    If VW releases a diesel car for our market, do you think it can outsell the Mirage (8.6K units in 2020)?
    That same car can only be sold at South Korea and China (as they drive on the same side) and I don't think those guys will buy a diesel VW.

    Our market is just too small for a non-Toyota

    Indonesia made the Xpander and Rush, if their local market prefers a diesel variant, for sure we would have that option available locally.

    Again from our neighbors (based on Toyota's sites)
    Toyota PH no longer has a gas fed Innova
    Toyota Thai offers the 2.0 Innova as an entry level variant
    Toyota Malaysia doesn't even offer a diesel version
    Toyota Indonesia has a gas version is all variants

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    #176
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    it's in the same token as why mitsu did not put a diesel engine in its fusion...
    Diesel engine won't fit ...

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    #177
    Quote Originally Posted by ice15 View Post
    Back to the VW topic.

    If VW releases a diesel car for our market, do you think it can outsell the Mirage (8.6K units in 2020)?
    That same car can only be sold at South Korea and China (as they drive on the same side) and I don't think those guys will buy a diesel VW.
    Also VW does not produce a diesel vehicle in china due to poor sales so no choice sila but to drop the diesel option unless they wanted to increase prices from additional taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Diesel engine won't fit ...
    They could have went with the L300 route and lift the whole body to fit the 4N14 engine or go with the even smaller 4N13 variant if they wanted.

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    #178
    yes diesel engine development and production is going the way of the dinosaurs.
    electric cars is the future but right now and in the near foreseeable future, diesel will still remain king in our roads until the government phases out all those diesel engine PUV's (jeepneys and buses) both in the cities and the provinces. A very tall order that the gov't today and even the next gov't may not be able to succeed.

    Is there a diesel car/SUV being officially sold here by the big 3-4 japanese manufacturers that isn't selling well?
    specifically a diesel unit below 1M price? Lets say the Honda CRV, is the CRV gas outselling the diesel counterpart even with the big price difference?

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    #179
    Quote Originally Posted by ale828 View Post
    is the CRV gas outselling the diesel counterpart even with the big price difference?
    same question I have... sadly, except for the Innova, wala akong makitang figures.

    Diesel vs Gas
    Tivoli
    Accent
    CR-V

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    #180
    Quote Originally Posted by ice15 View Post
    same question I have... sadly, except for the Innova, wala akong makitang figures.

    Diesel vs Gas
    Tivoli
    Accent
    CR-V
    Mas madami akong nakikita na CR-V na DTEC badge. Tapos last year nang nag inquire ang kapatid ko, nasa 150K+ ang discount sa gas variant, mas mahina siguro ang benta.

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