No right turn on red light sign?

**yebo** · April 28th, 2018 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by WallyWest

May significance ba ang placement ng traffic lights? Like for example may traffic light on a post at the corner of an intersection, does it mean no right turn on red?

I recall one time when a Makati enforcer flagged me down for turning right on a red signal. There was no "no right turn on red" sign. He said something about there being a stoplight overhead (which was apparently for those crossing) and another on the corner (for right turners, I suppose) so I shouldn't have made that turn.

YES. if there is a traffic light at the corner in addition to the traffic light at the center then that is the same as having a "no right turn on red" sign.

confusing lang kasi dapat may arrow talaga yung traffic light, dapat red and green arrows pointing to the right, same as red and green arrows for left turn.

**Dropzero** · April 28th, 2018 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by yebo

YES. if there is a traffic light at the corner in addition to the traffic light at the center then that is the same as having a "no right turn on red" sign.

confusing lang kasi dapat may arrow talaga yung traffic light, dapat red and green arrows pointing to the right, same as red and green arrows for left turn.

Lol kahit sa japan wala kang makikita na arrow sign sa traffic light pero kung tatawid ka sa kabilang linya (kung sa pinas mag t-turn left) ay meron sa malalaking intersection. Kaya i think its common sense nalang pero dito sa pinas nacoconfuse din ako kasi nuon huminto ako kasi red light. Pero yung mga nasa likod ko binusinahan ako lol...

**dr. d** · April 28th, 2018 11:53 PM

is it possible, the republic of makati has its own unique set of traffic rules and regulations?

**sean-archer** · April 29th, 2018 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by yebo

YES. if there is a traffic light at the corner in addition to the traffic light at the center then that is the same as having a "no right turn on red" sign.

confusing lang kasi dapat may arrow talaga yung traffic light, dapat red and green arrows pointing to the right, same as red and green arrows for left turn.

Makes a lot of sense. Why would they place 2 traffic lights nga no.

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**dr. d** · April 29th, 2018 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by sean-archer

Makes a lot of sense. Why would they place 2 traffic lights nga no.

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yes. why would they put two traffic lights, when one (at the corner) will do?

**GTcervan** · April 29th, 2018 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dropzero

Lol kahit sa japan wala kang makikita na arrow sign sa traffic light pero kung tatawid ka sa kabilang linya (kung sa pinas mag t-turn left) ay meron sa malalaking intersection. Kaya i think its common sense nalang pero dito sa pinas nacoconfuse din ako kasi nuon huminto ako kasi red light. Pero yung mga nasa likod ko binusinahan ako lol...

May mga intersections na may raised terrain/island or whatever it can be called dun sa likong pakanan where there's a traffic light also placed there kaya hindi naman siguro necessary na porket red yung sign eh it means na you cannot turn right during the duration so magtataka sila. Mostly pag may sign na 'do not turn on red signal' eh yun susundan nila.

**sean-archer** · April 29th, 2018 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

yes. why would they put two traffic lights, when one (at the corner) will do?

Why is the corner traffic light not placed/angled perpendicular? it's angled 45degrees facing the incoming traffic?

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**WallyWest** · April 29th, 2018 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by sean-archer

Makes a lot of sense. Why would they place 2 traffic lights nga no.

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But then there are streets in Makati such as:
Pasay road cor. EDSA and N. Garcia (aka Reposo) cor. Buendia that have corner lights but have no "no right turn on red" signs and the enforcers themselves will even wave you to turn right.

Then there's Perea cor. Paseo de Roxas (just past Greenbelt 1) where there's a corner light AND a "no right turn on red". Wouldn't the sign be redundant?

Then there's Parkway drive (The Link) cor Makati Ave where I was flagged down for turning right on red. Corner light and no "no right turn on red" sign.

Confusing AF, right?

Hindi kaya a red stoplight on a corner is the same as a fixed STOP sign? Meaning you should make a full stop, check the road, if clear then proceed?

**yebo** · April 29th, 2018 01:21 PM

if we are to follow international road rules then there should be no confusion.

it is those makati enforcers that are confusing the rules. gawin mo ba naman implementor ng law yung wala naman alam tapod kulang pa o walang training. it is also very possible that the leadership of that organization also do not know the rules.

**makinao** · April 29th, 2018 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by yebo

if we are to follow international road rules then there should be no confusion.

But rules on this vary from country to country. For example:

In Brazil, “Red: stop and stay stopped until the light goes out. You cannot turn right on the red signal, even if this turn isn't against traffic, unless a direita livre sign is placed next to the traffic light.”
Driving in Brazil – Travel guide at Wikivoyage

On the other hand, in the Massachusetts Driver's Manual, it says: "Turns on Red: You must come to a complete stop at a red traffic light. You may then turn right unless a NO TURN ON RED sign is posted. You must first give the right-of-way to pedestrians and other vehicles."
https://www.massrmv.com/Portals/30/d...ers_Manual.pdf