Subaru Forester

[Walter]

Hybrid to follow ...

[Don900]

Hybrid to follow ...

Priced competitively yan cguro yan 2019 Forester E-Boxer, kasi bawas ang excise tax nyan under TRAIN.

[Walter]

Still expensive technology so might still be expensive ... Might perform better than an XT though ... instant torque ...

[Egan101]

Still expensive technology so might still be expensive ... Might perform better than an XT though ... instant torque ...

I don't think so. The Forester e-boxer engine is only rated at 145PS/188Nm plus an AC motor rated 14PS/65Nm. Those are not enough to match up to the detuned FA20 on the XT at 240hp/350Nm. Even if the AC motor provides its available torque at less than 2k rpm, the FA20 achieves peak torque at 2500 rpm.

I guess performance figures on the e-boxer might be more similar to the USDM Forester with the 2.5L NA engine (182hp/240Nm).

[Don900]

I don't think so. The Forester e-boxer engine is only rated at 145PS/188Nm plus an AC motor rated 14PS/65Nm. Those are not enough to match up to the detuned FA20 on the XT at 240hp/350Nm. Even if the AC motor provides its available torque at less than 2k rpm, the FA20 achieves peak torque at 2500 rpm.

I guess performance figures on the e-boxer might be more similar to the USDM Forester with the 2.5L NA engine (182hp/240Nm).

If peak torque is below 2K RPM, and the CVT is configured to take advantage of this, performance can rival the XT at certain scenarios, even beat it.

0-100kph is a huge range, and if we are talking about the 1st 2K rpm, depending on the transmission, that can mean one engine can be better at for 60-80 and another better at 80-100. This is where "fun to drive" differences reside. Or, lets take a dyno graph, if this e-boxer can match or beat an XT on the 1st half of the graph (or any section for that matter, it does not need to match 100%) it might just be enough.

(of course just theorizing here)

[Walter]

Ahhh, paper specs ... Peak torque, peak HP ... What matters is torque that is usable on daily drives ... Same as the 2.5 liter turbo engine of Mazda CX-9 ...

[Don900]

The lower RPM the torque can be available, the more useful it is in daily drives.

With an electric motor paired right at the transmission, torque is no longer dependent on how long the engine's connecting rods are. Applying 0-to-maximum voltage instantly on that motor, might just be more torque than a diesel's longer connecting rod can give or just about match it.

Mazda meanwhile is working on compression-ignition for gasoline vehicles, they will surely make longer connecting rods for these engines. Subaru/Toyota on the other hand are using electric motors paired at the transmission. We can expect a torque war of sorts by 2020.

[Bin Diesel]

Hi pips, do you think it's still ok to buy the current model given the discounts (180k I think) offered?

[Egan101]

If peak torque is below 2K RPM, and the CVT is configured to take advantage of this, performance can rival the XT at certain scenarios, even beat it.

0-100kph is a huge range, and if we are talking about the 1st 2K rpm, depending on the transmission, that can mean one engine can be better at for 60-80 and another better at 80-100. This is where "fun to drive" differences reside. Or, lets take a dyno graph, if this e-boxer can match or beat an XT on the 1st half of the graph (or any section for that matter, it does not need to match 100%) it might just be enough.

(of course just theorizing here)

It would be best if we wait for actual reviews from various motoring sites before saying the E-boxer can match up to the XT. If the standard is the XT, it should be able to match 7 seconds 0-100 kmh sprint of the XT.

With the combined output of the NA engine plus the AC motor coupled with the weight of the platform, I don’t think the E-boxer can match the sprint of the XT. Maybe if it is as light as the Civic RS.





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[Don900]

It would be best if we wait for actual reviews from various motoring sites before saying the E-boxer can match up to the XT. If the standard is the XT, it should be able to match 7 seconds 0-100 kmh sprint of the XT.

With the combined output of the NA engine plus the AC motor coupled with the weight of the platform, I don’t think the E-boxer can match the sprint of the XT. Maybe if it is as light as the Civic RS.





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No way it can match if 0-100 talaga. That AC motor's advantage, if any, is instant torque with no down-shifting (CVT) when accelerating while already moving (+10 or +20 sa current speed, pero not from standstill). Kabaligtaran ng turbo lag kumbaga, anjan agad imbis na hinihintay.

Big emphasis on "IF ANY", sarap lang pag-isipan at drowing-drowing sa utak.

Iba-ibang modes pwede gawin ni Subaru dyan, torque-fill, torque-boost etc:
Mild Hybrid Electric Vehicle (MHEV) – control functions – x-engineer.org

The XT's 250+ lb-ft needs to start somewhere around 0, and also waits for boost. An electric motor, sabihin na natin 60 lb-ft max, pag-on ng max-voltage nyan, 60 lb-ft agad. A measly +60 lb-foot the rest of the way pag-on nug gas motor, pero sa simula sobrang gaan feeling nyan.

If nakalimot ka mag-neutral sa manual na kotse tapos naiwan mo sa reverse/uno, tapos sinubukan mo i-start, kakadyot kung kotse ng malakas -- ganun na yun feeling sa 12v starter pa lang. Pag hybrid 48V or higher motor yan -- "e-supercharger" ang term nila:
Everything you need to know about the 48V revolution in cars

Yun gagamitin ni Subaru, si Toyota and Denso nag develop nito -- pang laban sa mga dinedevelop ni Delphi at Valeo:
Volkswagen group plans to build 1 million e-cars in first wave | Reuters

Hindi ako magtataka pag dating ng panahon, magkakaron na rin ng aftermarket performance hybrid motors.