Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[HUMABOL KA]

Many parking/merging/stop-and-go accidents and geriatric cases can be ascribed to pedal misapplication. This is why you don't see the brake lights going on in the CCTV footage of many accidents. Pedal entrapment is still likely... especially if the driver has just gotten in the car, taking over from another, and has moved the seats, dislodging the mat.

The scary ones are the ones happening at speed. At that point, the driver will have been in the proper driving position for a long period of time, so it's highly unlikely they will be in the wrong position. There, you look at possible pedal entrapment (still quite probable... I'm sure we've all had experiences of mats moving aroudn when we shift our feet) and after that, possible mechanical failure of the pedal, then of the speed governor. Then cruise (but all modern cruise controls have brake override), then pedal electronics (least likely, IMHO... because the dual sensors typical have different voltages), then ECU.- from sir niky


un nga ung tanong ko sir na sa lahat po ng complains and video na pinalabas ng ABS-CBN eh its either naka standstill ung montero or nagpapark. bat wala pang nabalita na nag wild ung montero habang tumatakbo or cruising sa highway. for example tumatakbo ka 100 km/h and all of a sudden nag wild na lang bigla at bumilis ng bumilis ung sasakyan.

[glenn manikis]

Mahina ako dyan. Pang dagdag lang sa kills hahahaha.

Epic fail talaga MMPC pati si Pnoy dinamay sa SUA. Tsk.

Sana may mag-PM na re P500K GTV or GLS V.

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500k? Baba naman...

Bid ko 510k -- any sellers?

Ry tower-- baka later on Lahat tAyo Naka MONTORO na... He he...

[CVT]

I agree. And the sampling and conversion of the analog signal to digital is probably not a straightforward one. The software probably has a more complicated algorithm to account for sudden voltage spikes or noise. Noise is probably something that is always considered during the design stage given that more and more technology around us rely on electromagnetic signals.

Just a thought.

Bro naman.

Chip functions na iyan and straightforward. You just provide the parameters.

If you're just speculating, then please do not state it with apparent certainty, even with the "probable" preamble.

[CVT]

500k? Baba naman...

Bid ko 510k -- any sellers?

Ry tower-- baka later on Lahat tAyo Naka MONTORO na... He he...

Si bro djerms daw mayroon at dalawa pa.

Post na para magkakaalaman!

[CVT]

Okay lang. James is better looking....

The most interesting... worrying... case of SUA for me is the woman who experienced it on the highway. That cannot be easily explained away as driver error, and I'd like to have seen a proper investigation done of that.

Isang ligo lang ang lamang ni JamesD sa iyo bro.

Now, that's scary. Was that in a MS in the Philippine highway??? What happened to the woman-driver?

[jut703]

From the ANC headlines earlier today, there's gonna be a DTI probe on the SUA issue next week. I think though, that regardless of the results of the investigation, no matter how many experts they bring in, people will not accept anything other than, "It's Mitsubishi's fault" as an answer.

Like what Deakin said, social media has prejudged the issue, and people will not let the truth get in the way of their preconceived notions.

Personally, I sit at the camp that believes that these SUA cases are mostly, if not entirely, due to driver error. That said, there are a few design elements on the Montero's transmission that make it more susceptible to SUA than other cars.

The first question that is asked for anyone who makes this stand, is "why not the Fortuner or any other AT?". Simple answer - gated shifter and shift lock. The Montero has a straight shifter that allows it to be shifted from R to N to D and any combination of the aforementioned positions without having to step on the brakes. If Mitsubishi were to be held liable for something, it'd be this. However, it has since been rectified (for later models) and it obviously wasn't a known manufacturing defect so you can't say that it was a deliberate lack of foresight on their end. Nonetheless, a crude shifter doesn't give people who don't step on the brakes before changing between gears the right to blame the car instead of themselves. Pedal placement of the Montero isn't any different from other ATs I've driven so anyone with a fair bit of driving experience should easily be able to distinguish the gas and brake pedals.

"Okay then, so what about the Strada?"

Among all theories presented, buyer demographics seems to be the most plausible - everyone wants a Montero, but Stradas are only bought by people looking for pickups, and that bunch doesn't usually include old people who aren't very good at adapting to different cars and different AT setups.

And similar to the Toyota incident presented by Deakin, it's quite obvious that many people have ridden the SUA bandwagon even if it really was a driver error. It works both ways - because the driver knows of the alleged SUA phenomenon, he's quick to blame the hardware for whatever driver error he committed that resulted in his Montero crashing into a wall. On the other side of the fence, people are more likely to believe that it was a case of SUA simply because they think that it's just like the "many other cases of SUA" reported in the media. And that leads me to my next point - media has blown the case way out of proportion, and has coaxed many people towards the "SUA exists" camp, because that's where their own biases lie.

And what's interesting is that people tend to feel as strongly about their SUA stand as they do with their political candidates. Which is why it's no surprise that this thread racks up dozens of pages per day even if the same arguments are recycled over and over - no different from political threads.

Ultimately, this whole SUA brouhaha won't affect my personal choice and recommendations for getting an SUV. I'm not a big fan of the Montero but not because of SUA.

It could potentially affect the resale value of used Monteros, but I doubt it because this issue is simply a flavor of the month, and once the media stops focusing on it, the people who're so vocal about SUA will suddenly forget about it and move on to the next flavor of the month they can feast on.

I also doubt it'll have an impact on the sales of the new one (the ugly rear will have a bigger impact I bet).

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Enjoy your daily dose of bickering. [emoji106]🏼


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[minicarph]

Hehehe.. naa amaze na nga ako dito sa thread na to.. biglang humaba ng ganito at biglang dumami experts sa sasakyan..

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[monty_GTV]

very well said bro jut...

tanim bala is gone and now SUA in the table...and the next flavor of the month? might be christmas lights or hams? who knows what the social networks and mainstream media will sensationalize next...

[xagent_orangex]

Just my own theory:

The accelerator pedal is sending signal (0 to 5 Volts, Analog signal) to ECU , then ECU will send signal to throttle (5 volts max. throttle).

The D, P, N, R sensor is sending digital signal (1 or 0, On or Off) (equivalent voltage of this signal is 0 & 5 Volts) to ECU then ECU send signal to the engine base on the position (D,P,N,R).

In scenario that the signal wire of accelerator pedal is grounded to the signal wire of D, P, N, R sensor, when you shift your gear position (D, P, N, R ) your accelerator pedal signal wire will have a 5 volts reading, meaning the engine is in full throttle even if your not pressing the accelerator.

Just a theory.

WALA AKONG ALAM SA MGA SENSOR NA YAN.

simple lang naman tanong ko, yan bang "sensor" malfunction na sinasabi mo e kunektado o ang nag-trigger ng PAGLIPAT NG "R" PAPUNTANG "D" ayon sa video nung white montero?

if YES, so meaning kahit naka-position yung shifter sa "R" e aabante pa rin yung montero (magiging "D" pero sa physical shifter e "R" pa rin)?

if NO, malinaw na malinaw, sino pa ba gagawa nun(paglipat ng "R" to "D") edi yung poging driver di ba? or yung demonyong sumanib sa montero?

Just a theory

[confused shoes]

^ Parang ping-pong lang, nagbounce paabante yung nakareverse na Monty. Natakot yung demonyo sa pusa .