Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[Ry_Tower]

GG ka dun Ry_Tower! Lol. Balik sa SUHA. tama nga si sir glenn kasalanan ni PNOY pinili kasi sumakay sa montero during inauguration of mitsubishi vs. Saf 44. Epic failed!

Mahina ako dyan. Pang dagdag lang sa kills hahahaha.

Epic fail talaga MMPC pati si Pnoy dinamay sa SUA. Tsk.

Sana may mag-PM na re P500K GTV or GLS V.

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[Juan Martinez]

Pag may opinion experts na. Hehehe kung alam nyo lang ano kakayahan ng ECU ng montero. ☺

the evidentiary value of an expert testimony depends on his mastery of the subject, his education, experience, his interest in the subject, his reputation for telling the truth, his standing among his peers. thus, an alumnus of massachusetts institute of technology (preferably with masters or doctorate degree and teaches mechanical engineering in the same institution), who used to work in a leading carmaker in its service department for decades and had handled and studied SUA for many years and testified about it here and abroad,*editor-in-chief of an engineering publication circulated among peers, sits as board member of their organization (and member of tsikot) is a FORMIDABLE expert witness.

[Ry_Tower]

the evidentiary value of an expert testimony depends on his mastery of the subject, his education, experience, his interest in the subject, his reputation for telling the truth, his standing among his peers. thus, an alumnus of massachusetts institute of technology (preferably with masters or doctorate degree and teaches mechanical engineering in the same institution), who used to work in a leading carmaker in its service department for decades and had handled and studied SUA for many years and testified about it here and abroad,*editor-in-chief of an engineering publication circulated among peers, sits as board member of their organization (and member of tsikot) is a FORMIDABLE expert witness.

Eh puwede ba yung important na lang. Yung membet nang tsikot.

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[frostmourn]

the evidentiary value of an expert testimony depends on his mastery of the subject, his education, experience, his interest in the subject, his reputation for telling the truth, his standing among his peers. thus, an alumnus of massachusetts institute of technology (preferably with masters or doctorate degree and teaches mechanical engineering in the same institution), who used to work in a leading carmaker in its service department for decades and had handled and studied SUA for many years and testified about it here and abroad,*editor-in-chief of an engineering publication circulated among peers, sits as board member of their organization (and member of tsikot) is a FORMIDABLE expert witness.

Best example is Mr. James Deakin. Please have some time reading his article. Toyota SUA has been tackled as well. (Pero dati ayaw nya sa montero. Hehe)

My 2 cents on the Montero Sudden Acceleration Scandal | James Deakin | Philippine Car News, Reviews and Motorsports

[frostmourn]

Mahina ako dyan. Pang dagdag lang sa kills hahahaha.

Epic fail talaga MMPC pati si Pnoy dinamay sa SUA. Tsk.

Sana may mag-PM na re P500K GTV or GLS V.

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Grabe naman presyo nyan. Haha. 500k bastusan lang. Antay ko reply ni sir DJerms. Buying din pero GLS V hehe. Sabi nung tito ko best time to buy ngayon pwede makipag baratan. Haha.

[Juan Martinez]

Eh puwede ba yung important na lang. Yung membet nang tsikot.

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puedeng puede. yung iba nga dito puede gawing expert witness sa ptsd ng pusa [emoji51]

[Ry_Tower]

Grabe naman presyo nyan. Haha. 500k bastusan lang. Antay ko reply ni sir DJerms. Buying din pero GLS V hehe. Sabi nung tito ko best time to buy ngayon pwede makipag baratan. Haha.

Ginagaya ko lang price ni shadow. Hehehe

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[Ry_Tower]

puedeng puede. yung iba nga dito puede gawing expert witness sa ptsd ng pusa [emoji51]

Tsaka libre naman TF ko. Hahahaha

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[Juan Martinez]

Best example is Mr. James Deakin. Please have some time reading his article. Toyota SUA has been tackled as well. (Pero dati ayaw nya sa montero. Hehe)

My 2 cents on the Montero Sudden Acceleration Scandal | James Deakin | Philippine Car News, Reviews and Motorsports

i (first) saw james deakin on CNN philippines. at first (with all due respect), I thought he was a car salesman (no disrespect to car salesmen).

if you consider him an expert, we don't have to go far. we have our own niky here.

[niky]

Okay lang. James is better looking. Hehehe.

Personally, I'm not an expert anything, I just have experience tinkering with and tuning cars (and some electronics experience in programming ECUs... but very, very limited!)

And over years of test driving, I've seen some pretty weird and pretty bad failure modes on electronics systems, both on my Frankenstien wiring system and on test drives. (guess who's driven the most Chinese cars amongst the motoring press? :hysterical: )

But these failures typically are easy to pinpoint and duplicate. As said, intermittent failures can be replicated. Most SUAs cannot.

Niky... Where did you get the graph?

Dapat basis NATIn no. Of sua vehicles in the phils.

What apply to other countries does not necessarily will apply in the phils.. Why? Because of different distributors, iba iba din Ang Casa na nag maintain ng sasakyan... And different manufacturers..

Regarding bakit Lang sa montero nangyayari at hindi sa strada... What is the step by step process made to build the montero and the strada? Similar ba sila? Pag dumating ba dito Ang unit? CBU ba? Or may Ibang parts like tires, interiors, carpets na Galing dito sa pinas? Same din ba Ang weight ng strada at montero?

And lastly... Bakit sa montero Lang ito nangyayari? 99% dito sa pilipinas ha...

Regarding naman sa same technology Ang ginagamit ng Ibang car brands like ford or Toyota... ---- question Same technology Pero Isang manufacturer Lang ba? And same batch ng like for ex. Electronic throttle, like batch one 10,000 units of electronic throttle sold to ford Toyota and Mitsu?

And next would be quality control ng company ng bumile ng electronic throttle na yan..? Na check na nila mabuti Ang electronic throttle na binile nila? Etc etc

This is from my former site, thetruthaboutcars.com, based on NHTSA data.

One other line on the graph should be a demographic breakdown of the respondents. Like so:





Then you start to sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

Many parking/merging/stop-and-go accidents and geriatric cases can be ascribed to pedal misapplication. This is why you don't see the brake lights going on in the CCTV footage of many accidents. Pedal entrapment is still likely... especially if the driver has just gotten in the car, taking over from another, and has moved the seats, dislodging the mat.

The scary ones are the ones happening at speed. At that point, the driver will have been in the proper driving position for a long period of time, so it's highly unlikely they will be in the wrong position. There, you look at possible pedal entrapment (still quite probable... I'm sure we've all had experiences of mats moving aroudn when we shift our feet) and after that, possible mechanical failure of the pedal, then of the speed governor. Then cruise (but all modern cruise controls have brake override), then pedal electronics (least likely, IMHO... because the dual sensors typical have different voltages), then ECU.

Toyota got twigged on the ECU from because a programmer doing deeper forensics than NASA found that the system was flawed in its ability to resolve fault codes, meaning runaway ECU was technically possible, but the question would still be how many times such a fault would happen. The odds would be vanishingly small.

In the end, Toyota USA got a huge-ass fine because it was proven the dealer-installed OEM mats could trap pedals. And that the pedals on some models were built in a way so that they were easily trapped by mats. This is why they eventually had to pay up. No convincing evidence of ghosts in the machine.

Just my own theory:

The accelerator pedal is sending signal (0 to 5 Volts, Analog signal) to ECU , then ECU will send signal to throttle (5 volts max. throttle).

The D, P, N, R sensor is sending digital signal (1 or 0, On or Off) (equivalent voltage of this signal is 0 & 5 Volts) to ECU then ECU send signal to the engine base on the position (D,P,N,R).

In scenario that the signal wire of accelerator pedal is grounded to the signal wire of D, P, N, R sensor, when you shift your gear position (D, P, N, R ) your accelerator pedal signal wire will have a 5 volts reading, meaning the engine is in full throttle even if your not pressing the accelerator.

Just a theory.

I see there was already a clarification regarding the dual sensors on the pedals. Just want to add a note that the transmission, if Mitsubishi is true to form here, usually runs off a separate computer box. That's why it's a pain in the ass to repair a flooded Mitsu... INVECS uses a separate control module, which costs as much as an engine control unit.

In such cases, we'd need two separate electronic systems to go haywire (ECU and INVECS control unit), one hydraulic system to fail (and possibly spring a leak at the ABS module, so no brake pressure? That's happened to me once or twice) and one separate electrical system (brake lights alone) to fail.



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More seriously, though, failure in the transmission is indeed possible and documented here on tsikot. But in my reading of the inhibitor switch issue (because an old classmate asked about it on FB), the failure mode default is neutral, not drive or reverse.

And, unlike SUA... this is not a one-time affair. The fault is intermittent and can be replicated.

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The most interesting... worrying... case of SUA for me is the woman who experienced it on the highway. That cannot be easily explained away as driver error, and I'd like to have seen a proper investigation done of that.