Is WWIII inevitable?

[safeorigin]

Well, they could have done that last year when Iran agreed on the nuclear deal

but I guess it's just the series of strain in the relationship

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Well, they could have done that last year when Iran agreed on the nuclear deal

but I guess it's just the series of strain in the relationship

[kisshmet]

the problem with the union is that member countries have no say when it comes to money.

notice also that when the wikileaks leaked documents implicating saudi arabia with 9/11 they suddenly made deals with russia.

heh, all about money

Europe bailout cash is dwindling, the greeks need an alternative source of bailout funds to keep afloat

[RandMcnally]

Europe bailout cash is dwindling, the greeks need an alternative source of bailout funds to keep afloat

Just imagine how the Germans are feeling.. They are said to have spent more than a hundred billion of tax payers money to bail out Greece before. A few months back, this was our usual converaation topic with my German colleagues. They are paying for bad fiscal policies that the Greeks made and it is also giving an option for others to leave the EU. EU will not allow failure in their system so they have to bail out Greece again and again

[Juan Martinez]

US, CHINA expose faultlines, but vow cooperation

WASHINGTON DC, USA – The United States and China vowed to avoid confrontation as they headed Wednesday, June 24, into a final day of key talks, confronting head-on differences on issues such as cyber security and freedom of the seas.

US President Barack Obama was also preparing to meet key members of the Chinese delegation Wednesday ahead of a visit in September by Chinese President Xi Jinping.

US Vice President Joe Biden sharply warned Beijing Tuesday, June 23, that the world's waterways – which carry 80% of the planet's commerce – must remain open.

"Responsible countries adhere to international law and work together to keep international sea lanes open for unimpaired commerce," Biden said pointedly.

The two major trading partners remain at odds over China's claims to much of the South China Sea and Washington has repeatedly urged Beijing to stop building artificial islands and resolve its numerous territorial claims peacefully.

"Nations that discard diplomacy and use coercion and intimidation to settle disputes, or turn a blind eye to aggression of others, only invite instability," Biden warned.

In unusually frank comments, Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang agreed Beijing and Washington do not agree on everything, admitting "on some issues, perhaps, consensus still eludes us."

But he insisted "neither of us could afford the cost of noncooperation or even all-out confrontation."

"Decision-makers of both countries must always remember that confrontation is a negative sum game in which both sides will pay heavy prices and the world will suffer too," Wang said.

New rules needed

Welcoming the top delegation of some 400 officials also led by China's State Councilor Yang Jiechi for the seventh round of annual talks, Biden insisted Beijing must be at the table to help set up a new "rules-based system" in a rapidly changing world.

"There will be intense competition, we will have intense disagreements. That's the nature of international relations," Biden said.

"There are important issues where we don't see eye-to-eye, but it doesn't mean we should stop working hand-in-hand," he said.

US Secretary of State John Kerry insisted: "No nations agree on every issue. But we do not accept that a narrowing of the differences is beyond our reach."

"Our relationship is dynamic and it has grown and matured steadily in the past decades."

Jiechi vowed China would work with the United States "in a spirit of openness, to properly address the relevant issues."

High on the agenda is cyber hacking, with Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew insisting both nations must "abide by certain standards of behavior within cyberspace."

"We remain deeply concerned about Chinese government-sponsored cyber-enabled theft of confidential business information and proprietary technology from US companies," Lew told the delegations.

"Such activity falls outside of the bounds of acceptable state behavior in cyberspace."

But in a sign of China's discontent, Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei called on the US to boost its domestic savings and investment to strengthen growth, including spending to improve infrastructure.

"The United States should have a proper mechanism to mobilize more savings to direct to investment," he said, pointing out that China's contribution to global growth is 30%, while the US, the largest economy in the world, added only 10%.

Ties have strained over US accusations of cyber espionage and a bilateral cyber working group was suspended by Beijing last year after Washington indicted five Chinese military officers for hacking into US computers.

This week's talks come after revelations of huge breaches of US government computer networks at the Office of Personnel Management – an issue US officials said they would raise directly with their Chinese guests.

Kerry said the two countries, the world's two largest economies but also biggest emitters of greenhouse gases, were working "effectively" to try to reduce emissions ahead of a key UN-led Paris conference on setting new targets in December.

"The idea is that you are creating a critical mass of countries that are setting these targets and everyone feels compelled to join," Kerry said. – Jo Biddle and Paul Handley, AFP / Rappler.com

[CVT]

US, CHINA expose faultlines, but vow cooperation

WASHINGTON DC, USA � The United States and China vowed to avoid confrontation as they headed Wednesday, June 24, into a final day of key talks, confronting head-on differences on issues such as cyber security and freedom of the seas.

US President Barack Obama was also preparing to meet key members of the Chinese delegation Wednesday ahead of a visit in September by Chinese President Xi Jinping.

US Vice President Joe Biden sharply warned Beijing Tuesday, June 23, that the world's waterways � which carry 80% of the planet's commerce � must remain open.

"Responsible countries adhere to international law and work together to keep international sea lanes open for unimpaired commerce," Biden said pointedly.

The two major trading partners remain at odds over China's claims to much of the South China Sea and Washington has repeatedly urged Beijing to stop building artificial islands and resolve its numerous territorial claims peacefully.

"Nations that discard diplomacy and use coercion and intimidation to settle disputes, or turn a blind eye to aggression of others, only invite instability," Biden warned.

In unusually frank comments, Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang agreed Beijing and Washington do not agree on everything, admitting "on some issues, perhaps, consensus still eludes us."

But he insisted "neither of us could afford the cost of noncooperation or even all-out confrontation."

"Decision-makers of both countries must always remember that confrontation is a negative sum game in which both sides will pay heavy prices and the world will suffer too," Wang said.

New rules needed

Welcoming the top delegation of some 400 officials also led by China's State Councilor Yang Jiechi for the seventh round of annual talks, Biden insisted Beijing must be at the table to help set up a new "rules-based system" in a rapidly changing world.

"There will be intense competition, we will have intense disagreements. That's the nature of international relations," Biden said.

"There are important issues where we don't see eye-to-eye, but it doesn't mean we should stop working hand-in-hand," he said.

US Secretary of State John Kerry insisted: "No nations agree on every issue. But we do not accept that a narrowing of the differences is beyond our reach."

"Our relationship is dynamic and it has grown and matured steadily in the past decades."

Jiechi vowed China would work with the United States "in a spirit of openness, to properly address the relevant issues."

High on the agenda is cyber hacking, with Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew insisting both nations must "abide by certain standards of behavior within cyberspace."

"We remain deeply concerned about Chinese government-sponsored cyber-enabled theft of confidential business information and proprietary technology from US companies," Lew told the delegations.

"Such activity falls outside of the bounds of acceptable state behavior in cyberspace."

But in a sign of China's discontent, Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei called on the US to boost its domestic savings and investment to strengthen growth, including spending to improve infrastructure.

"The United States should have a proper mechanism to mobilize more savings to direct to investment," he said, pointing out that China's contribution to global growth is 30%, while the US, the largest economy in the world, added only 10%.

Ties have strained over US accusations of cyber espionage and a bilateral cyber working group was suspended by Beijing last year after Washington indicted five Chinese military officers for hacking into US computers.

This week's talks come after revelations of huge breaches of US government computer networks at the Office of Personnel Management � an issue US officials said they would raise directly with their Chinese guests.

Kerry said the two countries, the world's two largest economies but also biggest emitters of greenhouse gases, were working "effectively" to try to reduce emissions ahead of a key UN-led Paris conference on setting new targets in December.

"The idea is that you are creating a critical mass of countries that are setting these targets and everyone feels compelled to join," Kerry said. � Jo Biddle and Paul Handley, AFP / Rappler.com

And sadly bros, we are at their mercy.....

Philippines, My Philippines!




"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[Juan Martinez]

And sadly bros, we are at their mercy.....

Philippines, My Philippines!




"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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that's right bro. sila lang yung nag-uusap. yung nine- dash line ng China eh kinuha nila lahat the whole south china sea (not to mention the fact that spratlys is just too far from the mainland china, and, it goes without saying, outside of their exclusive economic zone under UNCLOS which China was a signatory).--

[b_9904]

Guys,

Read the in unclos VERY CLOSELY.

Esp. The qualifications made by China

[Juan Martinez]

China's reservation under 298, yes, but according Justice Carpio, per PDI June 25 issue, said, "China did not invoke Article 298(b) on disputes involving military activities or law enforcement activities relating to marine scientific surveys or fishing in its position paper."
“Now, China stated its reclamations are for civilian functions. Military facilities will be installed only incidentally with civilian structures. Clearly, China does not want to invoke military activities as a purpose of its reclamation. China reclaims from a submerged area in the high seas. UNCLOS mandates that the high seas are reserved for peaceful purposes–preventing China from invoking military activities,” xxx “If China says reclamations are for military activities, it will immediately be incurring violation of UNCLOS.”
“That’s why China has been very careful. It has always said they are for civilian purposes. It does not want to invoke military activities.”

[safeorigin]

Hmmm... so currently, there's a petition among Austrians to exit the EU as well.

[dreamur]

http://www.manilalivewire.com/2015/0...pla-challenge/