Hubert Webb (VIZCONDE Massacre) et al: "Not Guilty" [Merged Threads]

**kinyo** · December 2nd, 2010 10:40 AM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44380678/C...GR-CR-HC-00336

guilty daw eh ... hindi lang si alfaro ang witness, meron sikyu, labandera, partner ni biong

yung mga alibi documents ni webb, hindi napatunayang tunay o hindi sapat patunay na nasa merika si hubert noong gabi ng krimen, puro xerox pa yata (xerox ng passport ang ni-submit sa korte?)

**shadow** · December 2nd, 2010 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by kinyo

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44380678/C...GR-CR-HC-00336

guilty daw eh ... hindi lang si alfaro ang witness, meron sikyu, labandera, partner ni biong

yung mga alibi documents ni webb, hindi napatunayang tunay o hindi sapat patunay na nasa merika si hubert noong gabi ng krimen, puro xerox pa yata (xerox ng passport ang ni-submit sa korte?)

I think sa guard, hinde nga niya ma distinguish kung ano yun sulat niya na entry sa log book, pero naaalalal niya yun log entry niya kila webb et al. selective memory yun guard,

sa labendera naman, it was proven and meron pa yatang certification from the agency na hinde na nagwork sa Webb yun labendera during that time frame. parang umalis na 2 months prior to that incident yun maid.

yun sa partner naman ni Biong wala naman siyang sinabi against kila Webb, ang sinabi lang niya yun circumstances sa asawa niya.

**cutedoc** · December 2nd, 2010 12:03 PM

lahat pwede mangyari ang buhay pwede mamatay ang patay pwede mabuhay, dahil sa pera walang imposible!

pera ang diyos, walang sinasanto ang pera, kaya ang pagtatak ng us immigration office malaking posibilidad yun...

ang masasabi ko lang sana magkaruon ng magandang karma kay lauro vizconde at ang mga salarin naman ay magkaruon ng karampatang hustisiya di man sa paraan ng supreme court pero sa paraan mas naaayon!

huwag umasa sa hustisiya ng pinas...been there done that!

**vito corleone** · December 2nd, 2010 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by cutedoc

huwag umasa sa hustisiya ng pinas...been there done that!

sinabi mo pa, doc. . .kasasabi ko lang sa colleague dito sa opis kanina, "nakakafrustrate mamuhay dito sa pinas dahil sa kawalan ng saysay ng mga batas"

just-tiis talaga o baka nga kailangan mong magdusa pag minamalas ka pa

**niky** · December 2nd, 2010 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by kapitan88

im no lawyer but AFAIK, mas matimbang ang testimony ng eye witness vs. any respected people sa society na nag bigay ng testimony na nakita nila si Webb sa US a few days before or after the incident (which was the case w/ Gary V, et al.)

No.

In law and in law enforcement, eyewitness testimony is the weakest form of evidence and must be corroborated by forensic evidence or other eyewitness accounts. Otherwise it merely becomes a game of "he-said, she-said", which is why the reliability and authenticity of the witnesses always has to be called into question.

You can have several people view a crime and all seven will have a different version of the events. Some of them conflicting with other accounts on the most basic levels of who, when and where the crime occurred.

This is not a comment on this case itself, but that's how it is in law. Not having personally seen the purported documents held by ex-Senator Webb and not knowing the other details of the case in-depth, I cannot say whether or not Hubert is innocent or guilty... but I wouldn't be surprised if the trial itself was railroaded for political and publicity reasons.

**oliver1013** · December 2nd, 2010 02:05 PM

ANg mahirap dito, pano kung sabi ng supreme court lusot si Webb, pano na? So yung tunay na killers wala na? Kawawa si Lauro. Kawawa si Webb nakulong pero di pala siya.

Ano kaya yung sinasabi si Webb about Lim sa radio? Ano ba si Lim noong panahon na yun?

**shadow** · December 2nd, 2010 02:09 PM

IIRC, LIM was the NBI director at that time pero sa latter part na yata ng term niya.

**ekaj42** · December 2nd, 2010 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by battaglin

not really impossible. prior to 9-11 lax ang security ng US. yung classmate ko sa college na green card holder. nakaka-uwi dito sa pinas ng hindi na-stamp passport nya. making it appear na hindi sya umaalis sa US thus complyng with the required duration of residency.

korek ka dito battaglin. i know this is via the backdoor of the US (mexico) or sa florida ang exit mo..again this was before 911. ung sinasabi ko naman syempre saan ba madali magpatatak maski wala ka dun? aloha!!!

**shadow** · December 2nd, 2010 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by ekaj42

korek ka dito battaglin. i know this is via the backdoor of the US (mexico) or sa florida ang exit mo..again this was before 911. ung sinasabi ko naman syempre saan ba madali magpatatak maski wala ka dun? aloha!!!

nope! it's not through the backdoors, uuwi ka dito normally pero meron ng escort na magaabang saiyo pag dating dito hinde na dadaan sa immigration yun passport mo, so walang stamp.

pag time na bumalik hanap ka lang ng time and date ng flight na exacto sa supposedly months stay mo dito 3 or 6 months then magkita kayo sa contact mo sa labas ng immigration diyan sa intramuros, intayin mo lang pag labas ng magiting natin gov't employee meron ng instant stamp passport mo.

kung malakas loob mo alam na ng mga immigration officers natin magipit ka na lang ng US$10-US$20 sa passport mo then sabihin mo ayaw mo mag pa stamp alam na nila yun.

yun sinasabi ko na antedate na arrival stamp sa immigration P1.2k lang ang singil.

**lazyfoot** · December 3rd, 2010 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by battaglin

not really impossible. prior to 9-11 lax ang security ng US. yung classmate ko sa college na green card holder. nakaka-uwi dito sa pinas ng hindi na-stamp passport nya. making it appear na hindi sya umaalis sa US thus complyng with the required duration of residency.

Why would he go through all the trouble for that just to kill the vizcondes? Stabbing them like a desperate madman, if he planned it like that I would think that he would just go and put a bullet into their heads.
I think Hubert shouldn't be behind bars at all