NEWS: Local car firms urged to revive Tamaraw, Fiera [MERGED]

[GTi]

Its high time that the jeepneys are replaced. No wonder the drivers get so little income, just look at the condition of their engines! I'm sure they haven't done maintenance work with it in years, and notice that most of the engines are of big displacements AFAIK at 2.8 liters for the usual 4BA1 and 4JB1 or 3.3 liters for the 4BC1, just imagine the fuel consumption numbers they'll get. Its really true that the GT Express Crosswinds, Adventures and Revos get much better FC than them, are more comfortable for both the driver and the passengers, and they get paid more!

[uls]

know why nagkaroon ng idea na ganun?

the local parts makers lobbied the govt to urge automakers to build tamaraw type vehicles

coz the local parts makers will benefit from it

if the automakers build tamaraw type vehicles, the parts makers will supply the parts

well, the economy will benefit naman

if the automakers build tamaraw type vehicles, they'll hire more people

the automakers will order parts from local parts makers, the parts makers will hire more people due to increase order volume

good for the economy

but the govt is looking at it from the supply side

how about the demand side?

may demand ba for tamaraw type vehicles?

if there's demand for tamaraw type vehicles here and abroad, the automakers would have already been producing them

there's no demand

the govt doesnt care about the demand side

the govt's concern is the supply side

pogi points for the govt ang job creation

the govt doesnt care about the demand side

if the automakers did what the govt wanted and produced tamaraw type vehicles

pag di mabenta ng automakers ang inventory nila, sasabihin ng gobyerno sa automakers "that's your problem"

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the govt can be the demand

the govt will buy the tamaraw type vehicles from the automakers

the automakers make money by selling to the govt

they create jobs, the parts makers also make money and create jobs

everybody happy

but that's not gonna happen

[Mguy]

I think Ford didn't get what the government wants. They want to develop a NEW Fiera, Tamaraw etc., or basically re-engineer the concept of the AUV.

Methinks this is a better alternate to the jeepney, the Isuzu Microbus.

[ghosthunter]

Methinks this is a better alternate to the jeepney, the Isuzu Microbus.

Might be true... it might be better than the jeepney BUT without a government push to phaseout jeepneys, there will be no incentive for the current jeepney operators to shift vehicle types.

Example, no "new" PUJs will be allowed to register for use within Metro Manila. Renewals for PUJs will only be allowed until the vehicle has reached ten years from the time of original manufacture.

This would force existing jeepney operators to look at alternatives to the jeepney like the BEEP, mini Bus, etc

[uls]

if the govt wanted the automakers to re-engineer the AUV, hindi ba meron na Mitsubishi Adventure, Isuzu Crosswind, Toyota Innova?

yung phased out na FX, Revo?

hindi ba those vehicles are already the modern AUV?

i think the govt really wanted the automakers to build old school AUVs

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RE microbuses replacing PUJs

how do you get operators to invest in those P1M+ vehicles?

there are no LTFRB guidelines pa yata

i mean re franchise, routes, whatever

PUJs are still everywhere

ano ba plano ng gobyerno sa mga PUJs?

phase out ba?

will the govt succeed in phasing out PUJs to let microbuses can take over?

may transistion period ba?

microbuses will co-exist with PUJs muna?

mag aagawan ng pasahero ang microbuses and PUJs?

from an investor viewpoint, madami pa tanong

biggest question is how the govt will get rid of PUJs

very politically sensitive yan

if i'm a potential microbus operator, wait and see muna ako

mamaya matapos ko bilhin ang microbus di ako maka pasada ng maayos kasi di pa naayos ang gusot between the govt and the PUJ groups

baka pagbabatuhin ng PISTON, FEJODAP ang microbus ko

[GTi]

The Isuzu Microbus is a very good Coaster alternative and perhaps GT Express operators would like to take this one? the 2.8 liter engine is basically a jeepney engine and its FC is not that far from their Crosswinds and Adventures and they get to ferry 2x more people in one go! AFAIK, the only engine available is the non-turbo 4JB1, right? Perhaps Isuzu should throw in the 94hp 4JB1-T used by the Chinese carmakers for more power. And who says there won't be a demand for these locally produced vehicles? There are lots of people in the lower rung of society, with lots of relatives, and have a need for a reliable, efficient and comfortable mode of transport for their daily commute and out of town trips. When an out of town trip is in order, most Filipino families would rather sit as many people in one big vehicle than loosely in two smaller vehicles, that is why if the manufacturers of these locally produced AUVs would be serious with their work and produce good vehicles that are worth buying, it would have a solid following, like the FX's, Fieras, Bidas and Anfras of the past.

[uls]

i'm highly skeptical the govt can phase out PUJs

considering how populist our politicians are

phasing out PUJs is so anti-poor that no politician will be crazy enough to get involved in something like that

[uls]

And who says there won't be a demand for these locally produced vehicles? There are lots of people in the lower rung of society, with lots of relatives, and have a need for a reliable, efficient and comfortable mode of transport for their daily commute and out of town trips. When an out of town trip is in order, most Filipino families would rather sit as many people in one big vehicle than loosely in two smaller vehicles

dude, that's what jeepneys are for

lalagyan lang nila ng pinto sa likod na may nakasulat FAMILY USE

we have workers here who own PUJs

pampasada most of the time

pampamilya sometimes

or pinapa-rent sa mga bakasyonista for out of town trips

as long as jeepneys exist, there will be little demand for old school Tamaraw type vehicles

jeepneys can do what those vehicles can do

[ghosthunter]

i'm highly skeptical the govt can phase out PUJs

considering how populist our politicians are

phasing out PUJs is so anti-poor that no politician will be crazy enough to get involved in something like that

There was something like the phaseout of the two stroke engined motorcycles.

[GTi]

dude, that's what jeepneys are for

lalagyan lang nila ng pinto sa likod na may nakasulat FAMILY USE

we have workers here who own PUJs

pampasada most of the time

pampamilya sometimes

or pinapa-rent sa mga bakasyonista for out of town trips

as long as jeepneys exist, there will be little demand for old school Tamaraw type vehicles

jeepneys can do what those vehicles can do

Yes, but I'm sure not all of them wouldn't want to be going around town in a jeepney with a sign that says "family use" right? Many of them might be just budget limited but want a more modern ride that perhaps looks better, is more comfortable and perhaps have more performance. So I'm just saying that if they produce this kind of vehicle and make them more modern but still competitively priced there would be more options for this certain group of buyers. Besides, who wouldn't want a more comfortable ride for his family?