"e-Jeepney" - The electric powered jeepney

**uls** · January 11th, 2010 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Honestly, I doubt if they can purchase replacement batteries at P6,500/each unless there is some sort of government subsidy going on (more of our taxes going to waste supporting non-self sustaining projects).

Deep cycle batteries (designed for golf carts) costs P10,000 to P16,000 each depending on capacity when I checked last year.

wow

that makes ROI even more difficult for jeepney operators who will invest in e-jeepneys

**ghosthunter** · January 11th, 2010 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by uls

wow

that makes ROI even more difficult for jeepney operators who will invest in e-jeepneys

This is why I used P120,000 to P150,000 as a cost estimate for the replacement battery pack for the ejeepney.

This is why I am challenging the people who are so gung-ho about the e-jeepney to answer how can an e-jeepney can be more profitable than a typical jeepney when the annual operating cost is about the same.

**uls** · January 11th, 2010 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

This is why I used P120,000 to P150,000 as a cost estimate for the replacement battery pack for the ejeepney.

This is why I am challenging the people who are so gung-ho about the e-jeepney to answer how can an e-jeepney can be more profitable than a typical jeepney when the annual operating cost is about the same.

at P120T to P150T every 1 or 2 years...

parang nagpalit ka ng engine and transmission sa isang PUJ every 1 or 2 years

(check the prices of surplus Isuzu 4BE1 or Mitsu 4D32 diesel engines with tranny)

i read the e-jeepney sales pitches

they only talk about the big fuel savings

they dont mention anything about the cost of replacing batteries

**ghosthunter** · January 11th, 2010 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by uls

at P120T to P150T every 1 or 2 years...

14 to 18 months to be more exact.

i read the e-jeepney sales pitches

they only talk about the big fuel savings

they dont mention anything about the cost of replacing batteries

Yes, I noticed that too. That is why I had to search harder for the information because battery replacement cost is a very big issue in electric cars using lead acid batteries.

The information the e-jeepney promoters are giving out only includes the cost of recharging the battery.

**uls** · January 11th, 2010 03:36 PM

if they included the cost of replacing batteries in their sales pitch, it would discourage buyers

i think it's a don't-ask-don't-tell kinda thing

buyers probably don't ask about battery replacement cost

and sellers don't tell nalang

the same way buyers of brand new cellphones don't usually ask the price of new battery

matagal pa naman bago masira eh

tsaka na problemahin yan

months from now, the e-jeepney sellers will be receiving phone calls from previous buyers

"naka full charge naman, pero isang ikot lang, lowbat na... di tulad dati..."

**ghosthunter** · January 11th, 2010 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by uls

if they included the cost of replacing batteries in their sales pitch, it would discourage buyers

i think it's a don't-ask-don't-tell kinda thing

buyers probably don't ask about battery replacement cost

and sellers don't tell nalang

I am thinking it is in line with the typical LGU spending habits. They are quick to buy new stuff (like new vehicles) but nearly miraculous if they ever spend a centavo on maintenance & upkeep of those stuff they have bought.

http://www.topgear.com.ph/blogs/head...las-finest.jpg

months from now, the e-jeepney sellers will be receiving phone calls from previous buyers

"naka full charge naman, pero isang ikot lang, lowbat na... di tulad dati..."

The rate the batteries degrade is roughly linear based on time (months of use) against discharge level.

Also the deeper the discharge (or closer to ZERO power) they regularly use the battery, the faster the battery degrades.

We can expect complaints (limited charge/range) to start happening when the units are 7 to 9 months in use.

**ghosthunter** · January 11th, 2010 04:19 PM

E-jeepney - a fiberglass shell on a golf cart:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...58#post1398958

**uls** · January 11th, 2010 04:52 PM

yep

that usually happens to govt vehicles

pag nag request kasi ang LGU motorpool ng parts para sa mga sasakyan ng city or municipal govt, the requests have to go thru the bureaucracy

oftentimes, the requests never see the light of day

the requests gets stuck somewhere in the bureaucracy

buried under piles of paper on someone's desk

the vehicles spend months (even years) waiting for parts...

and while waiting... the vehicles get cannibalized and finally end up in junk status

that's why we see so many junk govt vehicles

a gagawin ng mga LGU bibili nalang ng bago

**uls** · January 11th, 2010 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

E-jeepney - a fiberglass shell on a golf cart:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...58#post1398958

yep

the e-jeepney IS a stretched golf cart

**roberto_minosa** · January 13th, 2010 10:02 PM

Nobel Prize winner Dr. Daniel Kammen of Discovery Channel documentary series "Ecopolis" named the E-Jeepney as the winner out of 5 theoretical solutions for combatting climate change through reduction of the carbon footprint of transportation. It was shown on the episode "Road To The Future" shown a couple of minutes ago.

Hey, at least it works in theory.