Toyota Fortuner new turbo vs. Montero V-GT

[amuro]

Hello bossing just want to share din the following results of my computation. If meron correlation sa inyong experience.

MS 5M/T 400N-m * 2000 to 2850 RPM, tire = 265/65R17:

1st gear 0 to 33kph(engine rev*3840rpm), average acceleration = 5.88meter/sec/sec, running-time (0-33kph=1.51sec), estimated time to gradually release the clutch = 2 sec?
2nd gear 33 to 62kph(engine rev*3840rpm), average acceleration = 3.86meter/sec/sec, running-time (33-62kph=2.09sec), estimated time to change gear = 1 sec?
3rd gear 62 to 100kph(engine rev*3840rpm), average acceleration = 2.24meter/sec/sec, running-time (62-100kph=4.72sec), estimated time to change gear = 1 sec?

Grand total 5M/T 0-100kph = (2)+1.51+(1)+2.09+(1)+4.72 = 12.32seconds (values inside the parenthesis depends on how fast is the manual shifting)


MS 5A/T 350N-m * 1800 to 3500 RPM, tire = 265/65R17: Since meron sariling pag-iisip ang auto tranny, the upshift points are just my estimates. Please let me know lang kung saan nag uupshift based on each person actual experience and I think I can easily give the corresponding average acceleration.

1st gear 0 to 35kph(engine rev*3600rpm), average acceleration = 5.02meter/sec/sec, running-time (0-35kph=1.88sec), estimated time to launch from standstill = 2 sec?
2nd gear 35 to 60kph(engine rev*3300rpm), average acceleration = 2.95meter/sec/sec, running-time (35-60kph=2.35sec), estimated time to change gear = 0.5 sec?
3rd gear 60 to 100kph(engine rev*3800rpm), average acceleration = 1.94meter/sec/sec, running-time (60-100kph=5.71sec), estimated time to change gear = 0.5 sec?

Grand total 5A/T 0-100kph = (2)+1.88+(0.5)+2.35+(0.5)+5.71 = 12.94seconds

The manual tranny wins.... at a fraction of a second... on papers...

GLS-V AT 0-100km = 9sec..... cyempre short shift hinde naman gas ang montero kundi DIESEL, NO REDLINE.....

[Ry_Tower]

GLS-V AT 0-100km = 9sec..... cyempre short shift hinde naman gas ang montero kundi DIESEL, NO REDLINE.....

Kahit diesel may redline. Puwede ba namang wala.

[jess25strada]

Kahit diesel may redline. Puwede ba namang wala.

Plus one ako dyan!


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[niky]

GLS-V AT 0-100km = 9sec..... cyempre short shift hinde naman gas ang montero kundi DIESEL, NO REDLINE.....

9 seconds is not possible with the stock MS. You'd need approximately 235 - 250 hp to hit the 9's with that weight. The only trucks locally in the 9's are the big boys, the 290 hp Explorer, the 275 hp CX9, the Pajero V6, the Veracruz (3.0 CRDi, 235 hp) and the Pilot.

A Montero Sport weighs 1.9 tons. With a piddling 178 hp, that will not get to 100 km/h in just 9 seconds. No matter what you do, no matter how you shift. And you should always shift at as high an rpm as possible, even with a diesel. The only time you short shift is when you have no traction in first gear, as with the Focus TDCi manual, which is best launched in 2nd gear on stock tires.

The 450 NM of torque won't help you anywhere but at launch. After that, what matters is how much horsepower you make. And the Montero Sport doesn't make enough horsepower. It's entirely likely the Strada could do 10 seconds flat if it wasn't traction limited and the shifter was better.

If you wish, though, you can download a "performance" app for your smartphone that will time your Montero Sport's 0-100 km/h time. Then celebrate the fact that the phone claims your car can do 0-100 km/h in just 9 seconds, even if it really can't.

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MS 4x2 AT - 10.8 seconds
MS 4x2 MT - 11.1 seconds

This is all from V-Box data, testing both cars on the same day. Along with the 4x4 (slightly slower) and the Strada. The Strada is actually slightly slower in 4x2 form, because it has no rear traction, but much faster in 4x4 form: (10.5 seconds)

The big problem with the Montero is the shifter. Very clunky, very heavy. Eliminate the shifting issue, and it's still around the same, 10.8. The driver cannot shift faster than 0.1 seconds, anyway. Probably with perfect weather, 10.5 is possible. But in better weather, the same will be possible for the AT.

[gundam]

GLS-V AT 0-100km = 9sec..... cyempre short shift hinde naman gas ang montero kundi DIESEL, NO REDLINE.....

Bilis naman.
What RPM ka nag shift? Syempre sportsmode yan, dahil short shifting umabot ka ba sa 5 th gear?

[niky]

Bilis naman.
What RPM ka nag shift? Syempre sportsmode yan, dahil short shifting umabot ka ba sa 5 th gear?

Only way that's possible is if you're timing by had with a stopwatch. Against an accurate timing computer, no way the Montero is going faster than around 11 seconds.

[amuro]

Kahit diesel may redline. Puwede ba namang wala.

hinde ko pinapaabot ng redline, kaya nga short shift

[amuro]

Bilis naman.
What RPM ka nag shift? Syempre sportsmode yan, dahil short shifting umabot ka ba sa 5 th gear?

brake torque launch(critical ang timing)..... 3rd gear lang

[arsen]

9 seconds is not possible with the stock MS. You'd need approximately 235 - 250 hp to hit the 9's with that weight. The only trucks locally in the 9's are the big boys, the 290 hp Explorer, the 275 hp CX9, the Pajero V6, the Veracruz (3.0 CRDi, 235 hp) and the Pilot.

A Montero Sport weighs 1.9 tons. With a piddling 178 hp, that will not get to 100 km/h in just 9 seconds. No matter what you do, no matter how you shift. And you should always shift at as high an rpm as possible, even with a diesel. The only time you short shift is when you have no traction in first gear, as with the Focus TDCi manual, which is best launched in 2nd gear on stock tires.

The 450 NM of torque won't help you anywhere but at launch. After that, what matters is how much horsepower you make. And the Montero Sport doesn't make enough horsepower. It's entirely likely the Strada could do 10 seconds flat if it wasn't traction limited and the shifter was better.

If you wish, though, you can download a "performance" app for your smartphone that will time your Montero Sport's 0-100 km/h time. Then celebrate the fact that the phone claims your car can do 0-100 km/h in just 9 seconds, even if it really can't.

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MS 4x2 AT - 10.8 seconds
MS 4x2 MT - 11.1 seconds

This is all from V-Box data, testing both cars on the same day. Along with the 4x4 (slightly slower) and the Strada. The Strada is actually slightly slower in 4x2 form, because it has no rear traction, but much faster in 4x4 form: (10.5 seconds)

The big problem with the Montero is the shifter. Very clunky, very heavy. Eliminate the shifting issue, and it's still around the same, 10.8. The driver cannot shift faster than 0.1 seconds, anyway. Probably with perfect weather, 10.5 is possible. But in better weather, the same will be possible for the AT.

Thanks for sharing the actual measured time.
Much better sana kung meron GPS device that measured the actual speed.

10% higher kasi ang reading ng speedometer ng sasakyan gaya ng lagi ko na rin binabanggit sa ibang thread dito sa Tsikot.
Baka meron pa kayo other chance instead of 0-100 try nyo rin paabutin ng 110kph ang speedometer ng MS.

Let me compare bossing

Actual (including time lag due to initial launch then subsequent upshift)
MS 4x2 AT (0-90kph) - 10.8 seconds
MS 4x2 MT (0-90kph) - 11.1 seconds

Computed (NOT including time lag due to initial launch then subsequent upshift) and considering flat road and calm wind (no head-wind or tail-wind, no crosswind lalo na Isuzu... heheh)
MS 4x2 AT (0-90kph) = 1.88+2.35+4.29 = 8.52 seconds
MS 4x2 MT (0-90kph) = 1.51+2.09+3.48 = 7.08 seconds

Thanks again because I think, I can now have a verified reference value of time lag due to initial launch then subsequent upshift as follows: (Actual minus Computed)

MS 4x2 AT = 10.8-8.52 = 2.28 seconds
MS 4x2 MT = 11.1-7.08 = 4.02 seconds

I think close naman ang estimation ko (values inside the parenthesis) in my previous post sa MT. Estimated time delay from initial launch and subsequent upshift is about 4seconds [(2)(1)(1)].

Pero sa AT na over-estimate ko * 3seconds[(1)(0.5)(0.5)] versus 2.28seconds (actual)... heheh

Ganun pa man, my latest computation suggest na ang MS GLS-V A/T ay HINDI maka 0-100km in 9seconds on flat road (kahit sabihin pa na 0-90kph lang ang actual). Impossible naman yata mag upshift from 1st-3rd in 0.08 seconds?

Pero who knows baka naman palusong ang daan tapos mga 12m/s na tail-wind or meron ginawang something special sa pag launch... I will try to compute for such scenario kapag sinipag ako... heheh

[babynos01]

Mga around 11 to 12 seconds bago maka 100 montero natin diba? GLS Non VGT
Sa acceleration from 0-60, ok siya, mabilis.
Pero above that, mahina na arangkada niya e. Stupid turbo haha.
Once na nag 3800 rpm na, humihina acceleration. Feel ko lang sirs ah haha.