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    When I first read about this SUA issue before, like one of the many members here, I also believed that it was the driver's fault. Now that this has been in the news lately, Im starting to think that maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with it.

    Our neighbor claimed that she has experienced it too way back, perhaps a couple of yrs ago. She said that the engine suddenly became wild, revved hard and it felt like it was possessed and just moved forward. Her Monty crashed on the wall. And even after it crashed, it still wanted to move forward then it stopped. They still have their Monty until now though.

    Another friend of my mom also shared their story with their Monty. Similar experience. She said that the engine suddenly revved so hard like it wanted to fly and launched forward which eventually led to crashing into several vehicles. They were thankful that there were no people involved. I think it happened just this yr.

    Both people have other cars too and they are not newbies to vehicles with AT.

    If I will base their experiences to the story of people that I saw in the news, they are very similar.

    I don't know but I still want to believe it's the driver's fault but there is that little doubt already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUMABOL KA View Post
    kahit nga sa fortuner nangyayari din yang sudden acceleration na yan

    https://www.facebook.com/topgearphil...6883346358735/

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    kahit nga sa fortuner nangyayari din yang sudden acceleration na yan

    https://www.facebook.com/topgearphil...6883346358735/
    Kaya nga mag-ingst kayo sa mga ladder frame Suv

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    #1104
    Ang hindi ko lang maintindihan sa alleged SUA issue?

    Meron namang delay ang AT, 3 seconds, pwedeng i-stop ang montero, enough time para ilagay sa neutral, step on the brakes at handbrake application....

    Sinubukan ko po ito last year sa test drive event sa MOA....

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    Wala akong Montero pero delikado ito kung bigla mag SUA ito ma-taong lugar sigurado marami papatayin ito.

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    how i see it...
    intermittent + honest, un-realized mistake + deliberate lie = near impossible to solve.

    and we can't even see which is which... whether it's there at all or not..

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    Kaya mag-ingat kayo sa lahat ng ladder frame Suv, optimized sa malakas na torque

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    Quote Originally Posted by playplugg View Post
    Ang hindi ko lang maintindihan sa alleged SUA issue?

    Meron namang delay ang AT, 3 seconds, pwedeng i-stop ang montero, enough time para ilagay sa neutral, step on the brakes at handbrake application....

    Sinubukan ko po ito last year sa test drive event sa MOA....
    3-second delay? Tagal nun. I think it's more like 1 second lang, give or take a few hundred milliseconds.

    Probably, taranta na ang driver, given na ang lakas ng hatak ng Montero. Ang instinct ng kahit sinong driver kapag umandar ang sasaktan na hindi dapat, preno kagad aapakan... hindi ilagay sa Neutral or patayin yung susi. Dahil kapag nag-rev na into redline ang makina (at di gumana yung safety feature na mag idle yung makina kapag naka-apak sa preno), patong patong na taranta na ang driver habang pilit niya ilagan mababangga nya habang inaapakan ang preno...

    I mean, madaling isipin na ilagay kagad sa Neutral or patayin yung susi... siguro kung praktisado ka na at inaasahan mo yung ganung bahavior. Pero, alam nyo naman kapag sumipa na ang turbo, split-second lang yan ang layo na nang tinakbo ng sasakyan.

    Maybe kung nasa highway ka at may time ka pa para marealize na SUA na pala yun. But from a standstill at biglang arangkada, wala ka nang time i-analyze nangyayari at preno ang unang instinct mo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    3-second delay? Tagal nun. I think it's more like 1 second lang, give or take a few hundred milliseconds.

    Probably, taranta na ang driver, given na ang lakas ng hatak ng Montero. Ang instinct ng kahit sinong driver kapag umandar ang sasaktan na hindi dapat, preno kagad aapakan... hindi ilagay sa Neutral or patayin yung susi. Dahil kapag nag-rev na into redline ang makina (at di gumana yung safety feature na mag idle yung makina kapag naka-apak sa preno), patong patong na taranta na ang driver habang pilit niya ilagan mababangga nya habang inaapakan ang preno...

    I mean, madaling isipin na ilagay kagad sa Neutral or patayin yung susi... siguro kung praktisado ka na at inaasahan mo yung ganung bahavior. Pero, alam nyo naman kapag sumipa na ang turbo, split-second lang yan ang layo na nang tinakbo ng sasakyan.

    Maybe kung nasa highway ka at may time ka pa para marealize na SUA na pala yun. But from a standstill at biglang arangkada, wala ka nang time i-analyze nangyayari at preno ang unang instinct mo.


    Exactly po Sir Oj88,

    More on panic mode rather than assessing situation and apply all the basic procedure kung paano ititigil ang sasakyan. kaya po nagkakaroon ng ganitong accident/incident, dahil na rin sa hindi focused while driving, unfamiliar sa sariling sasakyan or newbie driver...

    GLS V MT po yung montero namin, mas delikado ito lalo sa mga newbie driver or hindi familiar, unting pagkakamali sa pag bitaw ng clutch, lalo kung closed at confined area... wasak agad ang harap, or worst case, may madamay pa po...


    In my own opinion po, mas nagiging clear yung mga statement ng mga involved sa alleged SUA issue, na hindi full familiar ang mismong owner ng sasakyan at mababa ang exposure time sa pagmamaneho, (dahil merong family/company/personal driver)

    or yung mismong employee driver ay hindi rin familiar sa sasakyan...

    and lastly, mga senior citizen po ang na-involved... dahil hindi na rin po ganoon kalakas ang reflex at madaling mapagod due to fatigue...

    either owner man or driver, dapat merong alalay po na mas bata na driver, in-case na nakaramdam ng pagod or hindi na kaya mag-drive... yung mas batang driver dapat ang mag-assist....

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    Quote Originally Posted by playplugg View Post
    Exactly po Sir Oj88,

    More on panic mode rather than assessing situation and apply all the basic procedure kung paano ititigil ang sasakyan. kaya po nagkakaroon ng ganitong accident/incident, dahil na rin sa hindi focused while driving, unfamiliar sa sariling sasakyan or newbie driver...

    GLS V MT po yung montero namin, mas delikado ito lalo sa mga newbie driver or hindi familiar, unting pagkakamali sa pag bitaw ng clutch, lalo kung closed at confined area... wasak agad ang harap, or worst case, may madamay pa po...


    In my own opinion po, mas nagiging clear yung mga statement ng mga involved sa alleged SUA issue, na hindi full familiar ang mismong owner ng sasakyan at mababa ang exposure time sa pagmamaneho, (dahil merong family/company/personal driver)

    or yung mismong employee driver ay hindi rin familiar sa sasakyan...

    and lastly, mga senior citizen po ang na-involved... dahil hindi na rin po ganoon kalakas ang reflex at madaling mapagod due to fatigue...

    either owner man or driver, dapat merong alalay po na mas bata na driver, in-case na nakaramdam ng pagod or hindi na kaya mag-drive... yung mas batang driver dapat ang mag-assist....
    Whoa! Hold your horses. Hindi mo naintindihan ang sinabi ko.

    Hindi ko sinabi na yung driver ang cause ng SUA. Marami sa mga victims ang nag testify na nag-WOT immediately yung makina pag shift nila sa Reverse or Drive. Ang sinasabi ko is yung reaction nila sa SUA condition.

    Again, base sa mga salaysay nila, yung SUA ang nag-cause ng panic, NOT the other way around.

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