no right turn on red signal

[jagxtrm]

i always follow 'no right turn on red' ... kahit busina ng busina ang nasa likod ko, di ako gagalaw ... unless cyempre pag ambulance o police car yng nasa likod na naka code 3 (sirens, light, etc).

below are re: sa mapsa (not on NRTOR)...

pero matindi 'tong MAPSA ... noon hindi ko naikabit agad ang sticker ng LTO sa windshield & plate (it was june 1, and 5 yng ending ng plate ko, so dapat by May 31 nailagay ko na yng sticker) ... biglang may kumatok sa bintana ko -- mapsa officer -- sabi sakin itabi ko na raw yng sasakyan ko at ito-tow na daw yun dahil expired na raw ang LTO registration.

buti na lng dala ko yng sticker. nilabas ko sa compartment, at sabi ko kakakuha ko lang kahapon, hindi ko pa naididikit. nung nakita nya yng bagong sticker, sabi nya 'pakikabit agad yan ha, sa susunod hindi na kita pagbibigyan' .... tama ba yun?

tapos may kakilala ako napundi yng 1 bulb ng headlight nya ... pauwi na cya galing work, around 10pm ... nung huminto cya sa stop light, may lumapit na MAPSA officer, hinihingi na agad ang driver's license nya. tinanong nya kng anong violation, sabi ng officer 'running with busted lights' daw, eh may 2 fog lights pa cyang naka-on & 2 yellow park lights. napundi lng yng 1 bulb ng headlight violation na agad... P500 ata ang binayad nya sa ticket... (medyo masyado cyang mabait, sunod agad sa sinasabi ng officer)

eh yng ibang bus na dumadaan sa ayala, karamihan hindi pa naghe-headlight & walang tail light, bakit ang mga yun hindi hinuhuli ng mapsa?

[smooth]

Dati NRTOR sa Fort Bonifacio. Ngayon pwede na pero dapat With Caution. Marami na sigurong nagreklamo dahil minsan ang tagal ng stoplight eh wala namang sasakyan. Hirap lumabag sa Fort. May cameras ang intersections hehe. May motor pa ang mga enforcer.

Mahilig tumambay ang mga yellow crocodiles sa mga liblib na lugar. Isang tambayan nila ang buong Makati Ave. Isa pa dun sa may dating Toyota along Buendia. 1.5 lanes lang ang daan pero patrol car + motor + limang buaya ang bantay hehe.

pare, doon din sa vito cruz ext makalagpas ng pastong tamo (sa may kingswood tower across KFC and shopwise). laging may patrol car. from pasong tamo kasi no left turn going to vito cruz ext. naknampating, kahit gaano na katraffic sa pasong tamo, hindi aalis ang mga MAPSA sa ilalim ng puno kasi hinihintay nila ang pobreng private car na mag-le-left turn from p.tamo into vito cruz extension. pag hindi ka sanay sa kalye at nag-left turn ka e yyyyeeehhhaaaa kotong na naman!

OT and FYI: national road ang pasong tamo at may sign na bawal ang tricycle pero may terminal ng tricycle sa shopwise. yung mga tricycle nag-ka-karera pa sa pasong tamo. hinuhuli ba ng mapsa? of course not. minsan, naka-mapsa uniform pa nga ang nagmamaneho ng tricycle e.

[sirkosero]

kapag walang sign na no right turn on red signal, ayos lang naman magright turn. kasi walang sign. basta turn right with caution ayos lang. pag hinuli pwede naman contest. be sure to get pictures dun sa lugar na wala talagang sign na nakasulat, name ng nanghuli, if possible, id number din nya cguro

[Autobeat]

[QUOTE=icon]Was flagged down by mapsa around 9pm as I turned right from makati ave to jupiter. Ang violation daw beating the red light. Didn't know it's actually used in that sense[QUOTE]

Woh, we turn right at that area all the time, sometimes even with several cars while the light was already red. Were you Northbound (to Mandaluyong) or Southbound (to Ayala) from Makati ave when you turned right to Jupiter?

[geode]

in my case naman, coming from ayala, i turned right at makati avenue (ung corner ng PLDT) and was subsequently flagged down by a MAPSA personnel. hinihingi ung license ko. sabi ko bakit? sabi sakin bawal daw kumanan dun kasi nakared sa ayala. sabi ko yes i know it's red signal pero wala namang sign na "no right turn on red signal". bigla namang sabi nya na "eh sir dapat pag ganun you should not block the intersection para kasi green ung sa makati ave. dapat indi kayo pumasok sa yellow box". sabi ko naman na i wasnt blocking the intersection since i didnt stop naman inside the yellow box. he keeps insisting on looking at my license. i just showed it to him pero indi ko binigay tapos inulit nya ung bawal daw kumanan (wala namang sign) and keep intersection open daw dapat (indi naman ako huminto sa intersection). i just told them since wala naman akong violation and wala silang proof that i did any infraction iniwan ko nalang ung mapsa dun!

[j_avonni]

It happened to me too dyan sa Makati Ave. cor. Jupiter. But I insisted that there was no sign saying "NRTORS". Hence, you can turn right anytime with care. Tapos, ang violation ko raw ay "OBSTRUCTION", dahil I was obstructing the flow of traffic. So I defined to him kung ano dapat ang obstruction. At sabi din na paano kung nabangga ako. Ang sagot ko, "NABANGGA BA AKO?. HINDI, dahil I was turning right with care.".
Then, he asked for my license trying to look for some violations, i.e. expired license. Nung walang makita, he let me go.

[Huli Ka]

there was this one incident a long time ago na nangyari sa akin. on paseo de roxas, turning right to legaspi, meron NRTORS na sign. naabutan ako ng red light, so huminto muna ako. yung car sa likod ko, busina ng busina sa akin. so ang ginawa ko, bumaba ako sa car at tinanong ko sya kung marunong syang magbasa while pointing to the the NRTORS sign. tumahimik naman.

hehehe.

[CVT]

Same thing here, coming from Coastal Mall along Macapagal Ave., turning right to EDSA extension, there is a NRTORS sign. I was the car in front so I stopped. The intersection was clear as our traffic light system is not intelligent and the Pajero behind me was flashing his lights and honking like hell,- so, I 'cleared' the right turn lane for him. Lo and behold!,- the traffic enforcers are waiting for their lunch! Huli ka! So, when the traffic light turned green, I turned right and saw this poor person 'negotiating'... hehehe.

On hindsight, I really do not totally blame him. Our traffic system is not intelligent and therefore not maximizing the use of a premium intersection. So, I if I am sitting there waiting for the green light and I see that the intersection is empty the whole time, my patience would 'naturally' run out. IMHO, there should be no NRTORS signs. Like in other countries, it should be Right Turn With Caution (& With Discipline)... when the main road is 'empty'. But we all know that here in the Philippines, he who has the lane a split second before you, even if merging, has the power....so, it will NEVER work... Kaya cool lang tayo!

[Jun aka Pekto]

actually, lito rin ako sa rule na ito. when i asked my friends in the US and canada kung paano ang rules doon about turning right on red signal, sabi nila puwede as long as you stop and check na walang oncoming traffic. dito kasi hindi consistent. ang daming roads na okay naman mag right kahit wala yung sign. eh yun nga sa Nueve de Febrero turning right to Shaw Blvd. eh meron sign pero ang dami nag-ri-rught turn at hindi hinuhuli. pag hindi ka naman nag right turn, bubusinahan ka nung nasa likod mo. siguro dapat itanong nga sa LTO ito kung ano ba talaga ang tama para claro sa lahat..

It varies from state to state. But, the normal rule is, unless there is a sign saying "No Right Turn On Red", you can turn so long as the way is clear, stopped first on a red light or stop sign, and yielded to whoever has the right of way (like say, a green left arrow for the traffic opposite you, and you'd be at a red light anyway). Here's the driver's manual for driving in Arizona:

Arizona DMV Driver's manual (3mb pdf file)

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Woh, we turn right at that area all the time, sometimes even with several cars while the light was already red. Were you Northbound (to Mandaluyong) or Southbound (to Ayala) from Makati ave when you turned right to Jupiter?

was northbound to mandaluyong. which makes me wonder bat dun sa kabila walang nanghuhuli. mas maliwanag siguro sa kabilang side and mas may activity with the restos and mercury drug right by the corner.
passed by the other night and saw the mapsa there again nag-aabang. same guy who flagged me down was there. haha.

magulo talaga dito sa atin, sa right lane must turn right naman eh may makikita kang going straight. minsan pa kahit maluwag yung ibang lanes, type lang nyang nasa rightmost lane.