gmelina or mahogany farming anyone?

[yebo]

yung sa denr dapat sa planting pa lang may permit ka na. then after 6 months-1 year may hawak ka na paper from denr na lahat ng puno na intended for harvesting later is for tree farming, may pictures pa na kasama as proof na tinanim mo.

harvesting is either you do the cutting or they do the cutting. mas mataas price if you do the cutting. the price i mentioned is if the buyer will be the one to cut.

pang long term investment talaga sirs, 15 years or more sa mahogany. yung gmelina e paningit, para naman may pampagana pag nawawalan na ng drive. o pondo.

[yebo]

sir bin diesel,

mahal lupa sa zambales e. the cheapest, sa bundok, is still 50p/sqm. sa bundok na yun.

and yeah, ayaw ng mangga ang mahangin. near the coast but sheltered from winds. saka ulan pag kaka-open lang ng flowers, lugi ka na agad pag naulanan. kaya di ko na itutuloy mango venture kasi dami sobra ng variables na wala ka control. muntik na din ako bumili last year sa san marcelino ng lupa but i was going to buy for sentimental reasons, buti na lang nagising on time. laking zambales din kasi ako (san antonio) but i don't have a house there anymore.

[lowslowbenz]

Kaso lang i don't know kung kakayanin natin na every other day

Primo, ano yang every other day na yan?

[vinj]

ok lang si kris, papa-annul after 5 years kita ka ng 50 million sa settlement gaya ni james hahaha!

Yan ang tunay na ROI! Hindi pa tubo yung mahogany mo, may pang-Porsche ka na :D

Primo, ano yang every other day na yan?

Knowing Yebo, baka every other day, iniiyakan yan ni Kris.

Kakapunta ko lang ng San Antonio a few weeks ago (dun sa Casa San Miguel). Sarap mag drive sa roads dyan. Pag maganda timing, may mga surfer chicks sa Crystal Beach at sa San Felipe. ;)

[Bin Diesel]

sir bin diesel,

mahal lupa sa zambales e. the cheapest, sa bundok, is still 50p/sqm. sa bundok na yun.

and yeah, ayaw ng mangga ang mahangin. near the coast but sheltered from winds. saka ulan pag kaka-open lang ng flowers, lugi ka na agad pag naulanan. kaya di ko na itutuloy mango venture kasi dami sobra ng variables na wala ka control. muntik na din ako bumili last year sa san marcelino ng lupa but i was going to buy for sentimental reasons, buti na lang nagising on time. laking zambales din kasi ako (san antonio) but i don't have a house there anymore.

Tama ka pero yun din ang reason kaya itinanim sa gitna ng mga mahogany yung mangga kaya lang talagang matagal tumubo yung mahogany. After 7 to 10 years kailangan din magbawas ng mahogany para sa spacing at para lumapad naman sila. Kung may buyer ka maganda sila na magpuputol ng puno para isang usapan lang. In a few years time pwede na din na maharvest yung mga mahogany ng tatay ko tapos tanim nanaman ulit para sa next batch. Sana ambunan ako kapag napera na yung mga puno .

[rollyic]

take it to consideration...
yung 7-15 yrs, maraming pwedeng mangyari.
sa ngayon walang NPA pero hindi natin alam after 5-10 yrs.

bakit hindi na lang coconut tree? alam ko 2-3 yrs lang ata, namumunga na yung puno.
in demand ngayon sa US ang virgin coconut oil at milk.
correct me if im wrong pero ang alam ko, 3x/year mamunga ang coconut tree.
plus, pag di na pinakikinabangan, pwedeng gawing coco lumber tapos taniman ulit ng bagong puno.

[yebo]

bakit hindi na lang coconut tree?

kelangan mo ng mga maghaharvest ng coconuts on a year round basis. 2 words come to mind when we talk of farm workers - "land reform". yung sa gmelina and mahogany exempt sa land reform. saka ang category ng kukunin ko na tao is "contractual caretaker/guard", hindi farm worker. i will make them clean and do weeding and guard the goats but i will not let them plant or harvest.

[robot.sonic]

ok nga coconut tree.

problema lang pang binagyo.

[boybi]

Not all areas yata pwede taniman ng coconut tree.

[morningbliss]

i've been thinking lately on where to invest long term (besides stocks market). as i do not have much business acumen like some guys here (nakakainggit naman kayo!) and also do not have the time to look after the business full time (OFW) i prefer something that i (used to) know and like to do. i have been looking for some farm land for tree farming, of either gmelina (paper tree) or mahogany. the gemelina will be for medium term income (5-7 years) while the mahogany for retirement (15+ years). as per the research i've done so far, gmelina can be sold for 1.5-2k per tree after 5 years, and the mahogany around 10k-15k per tree after 15 years (price varies on location, lower where there is illegal logging).

i'm doing my computations on the over pessimistic side, lower end less 20%, so that will be 1.2k/tree for gmelina and 8k/tree for mahogany. sobrang pessimistic ba? at the spacing of 1.5 meters for gmelina and 2.5 meters for mahogany, and basing on a square planting pattern (less efficient) as against a hexagonal pattern (more efficient) to compensate for tree loss due to thinning/stunted growth/desease/typhoons (again very pessimistic at only 50+% survival rate), that's 4,400 trees/heactare for gmelina and 1600 trees/hectare for mahogany. (note: tree density increases by a factor of almost 2 using a hexagonal pattern). yield for gmelina after 5-7 years (again, pessimistic so 7 years) = 5.28M/hectare. for mahogany it's 12.8M/hectare after 15 years. i intend to plant 5 hectares to gmelina and 10 hectares to mahogany.

price per hectare is 225-250k at the location i'm targetting (in central luzon, no illegal logging, no NPA). i will start from seeds (not seedlings, i do have the time to plant seeds) so that means minimal expense. i will also be using chicken manure for fertilizer, which i had been told is necessary if the trees are planted on low grade soil (but i will be buying land good enough for vegetables). my estimate is 300k/hectare innitial investment (land, seeds, labor) for both gmelina and mahogany plus additional 20k/year/hectare. for 7 years, total investment on the 5 hectare plot planted to gmelina will be 2.2M, yield estimate is 26M. for the 10 hectare planted to mahogany, 15 years total investment will be 6M, and yield estimate is 128M.

would you consider this a good venture? is anyone here into tree farming? please try very hard to discourage me

hello yebo!
at last, nakakita din ako ng isang investor na pareho ang tumatakbo sa isip ko...i think lahat ng points mo and ung ibang discussions dito nainternalize ko kasi i have been researching for this type of investment..OFW din ako and looking for a long term investment plus tulad mo din, something i love to do...genetic buildup ko is close sa nature...
at this stage, nagreresearch na ako about growing gmelina, mahogany at teak..and active na din akong nagtitingin ng farm lots sa lugar namin...and also nagtatanong tanong din ako if san pwede bumili ng seeds for gmelina at mahogany...nagtanong ako sa Manila Seeds kaso ung mahogany nila eh hindi ung honduras/genuine mahogany type kundi ung philippine mahogany...

anyways, musta na pala ung setup mo ngayon?naumpisahan mo na ba ung investment mo na eto?share naman and malay natin in the future we can help each other through experience sharing keep in touch...salamat