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    #531
    buti na lang yung caltex at petron hindi pa e10 mga gas nila (among the big 3). pero yung shell kahit saan ako magpunta e10 na silang lahat.....
    hindi ko pa nasusubukan magpa-gas sa mga small players..

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    #532
    Quote Originally Posted by james00112233 View Post
    buti na lang yung caltex at petron hindi pa e10 mga gas nila (among the big 3). pero yung shell kahit saan ako magpunta e10 na silang lahat.....
    hindi ko pa nasusubukan magpa-gas sa mga small players..
    I beg to differ. The lowest octane gas of Caltex and Petron are E10 already. Take a good look at those small stickers stuck to the pump. Is it just me or do these E10 fuels make the engine shudder more?

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    #533
    Quote Originally Posted by Wh1stl3r View Post
    I beg to differ. The lowest octane gas of Caltex and Petron are E10 already. Take a good look at those small stickers stuck to the pump. Is it just me or do these E10 fuels make the engine shudder more?
    From the experience of other users, it seems it's the E10 gasoline that is at fault.

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    #534
    This is disturbing.....

    from:
    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...-enginesPetron

    Ethanol gas can damage car engines—Petron

    By Amy R. Remo
    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    First Posted 04:53:00 09/08/2009

    MANILA, Philippines—Oil refiner and retailer Petron Corp. has warned that the current ethanol-blended gasoline (E-10) could damage car engines and urged the Department of Energy to come up with clearer specifications for the fuel blend.

    Petron chair and chief executive Ramon S. Ang said they had received many reports that the current blend is “highly corrosive.”

    According to Ang, the company wrote the DoE last month requesting new guidelines to help protect motorists.

    The Philippine Daily Inquirer was unable to get a comment from the DoE as of presstime. The E10 blend is still being sold in gasoline stations.

    Ang said in a briefing that the alcohol mixed with gasoline could do much damage to a car’s gas tank, fuel pump, carburetor and fuel injector, among others.

    The problem, he said, was that the government did not specify that there should be a dehydrator to remove the water content, which is what makes the ethanol-blended gasoline (E10) highly corrosive.

    “That’s why Petron wrote to the DoE. If we push E10, we have to prepare the correct specifications to prevent damage to cars,” Ang explained.

    “Right now, the DoE together with the industry is formulating the specifications and the guidelines. They are studying it. What we are saying here is based on the experience of motorists and our own experience as well,” Ang said.

    Under the Biofuels Law, all oil companies are mandated to pre-blend 5 percent ethanol in gasoline-fueled vehicles starting February 2009 and increase this to 10 percent by 2011. Most of the oil companies began pre-blending 10 percent ethanol in their gasoline products as early as 2008, way ahead of the mandate of the law.

    In a separate phone interview, Petron president Eric O. Recto said the company was still “in the middle of collating data to help the industry understand the potential impact of ethanol (on vehicles).”

    “We have empirical evidence coming from all over but we’re not done with the information gathering—a few more weeks or a month maybe to complete (it)... ethanol has certain negative effects on car engines,” Recto said.

    He noted that the move is an initiative of Petron, but was something they thought would benefit the rest of the oil industry.

    “Let me put it this way, there are pluses and minuses in using ethanol and we just want to make sure that both sides are studied and heard first,” Recto said.

    8601:matrix:

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    #535
    “Let me put it this way, there are pluses and minuses in using ethanol and we just want to make sure that both sides are studied and heard first,” Recto said.
    What pluses? All I see would be minuses:

    -E10 gasoline gives less fuel mileage than regular unleaded gasoline. This is true even if your car is "Ethanol" compatible.
    -E10 costs more. It is only "cheaper" because of government price subsidy
    -E10 can damage engines, especially older EFI and carburetor engines
    -E10 can rust gasoline tanks because of possible water content
    -E10 gasoline "expires" when left un-used for two or three months in a car's fuel tank.
    -Ethanol used to make E10 is still mostly imported. It was supposed to be a way to offset the volume of oil we buy from abroad. Yet we end up buying ethanol from abroad as well.
    -Land used for the crops for ethanol production used land that can be used to grow human food.
    -Based on studies, ethanol production takes more fuel than what it is produced. This is especially true if we are importing it from across the ocean.

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    #536
    Looks like engineers have no place in administration or legislation. Sad. And we have to make do with the short end of the stick.

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    #537

    Agree. They should have funded the study first, and evaluated this carefully, rather than jump immediately in making this a law....

    8601:matrix:

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    #538
    Quote Originally Posted by CVT View Post

    Agree. They should have funded the study first, and evaluated this carefully, rather than jump immediately in making this a law....
    Ironic with all the pork barrel funds floating around, no one spends for a proper study for the biofuels law and how it can be properly implemented into the Philippines, especially where ten to fifteen year old cars are normal.

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    #539
    pati ba mga bagong kotse apektado? meron kayang pwedeng ikabit sa kotse -- or better yet, at the pump -- to separate the possible water content?

    good luck waiting on the government to do something about it; eleksyon na, everybody's too busy doing papogi.

    Mag LPG o diesel na lang para iwas sakit sa ulo.

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    #540
    Any reactions from the car manufacturers regarding this new allegation from Petron? Also, I know they have issued advisories about their car models' compatibility with E10. But if the car's engine get damaged as Petron warned, will the engine repair be covered by their warranty?

E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy?  [MERGED]