Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 3]

**Retz** · November 23rd, 2011 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by umi001

Which one are you using right now? I've not tested the durability of the Microtex Tire Black strenuously, but it seems to last about two weeks or so.

Actually, im using brands lile AutoGuard, A-Toy and Harry's I think. I have to apply the tire black every week to remain the shine and blackness of the tire. If there is a good product in the market that could make my tire blackness last long even though the shine would fade, it's okay. Problem with the products that im using right now, not only the shine fades pati ung blackness ng tire, pumuputi na.

Tried and tested na ba ang Microtex Tire Black? If the quality is same as Meguiars and Mothers in terms of long lasting black,I could give it a try.

**umi001** · November 23rd, 2011 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Retz

Actually, im using brands lile AutoGuard, A-Toy and Harry's I think. I have to apply the tire black every week to remain the shine and blackness of the tire. If there is a good product in the market that could make my tire blackness last long even though the shine would fade, it's okay. Problem with the products that im using right now, not only the shine fades pati ung blackness ng tire, pumuputi na.

Tried and tested na ba ang Microtex Tire Black? If the quality is same as Meguiars and Mothers in terms of long lasting black,I could give it a try.

That's the clear gel that leaves a very shiny finish right? I'd throw that stuff away - it's solvent-based dressing, and will cause your tires to dry and crack over time. Microtex Tire Black is a water-based dressing which will not damage your tires - it isn't super shiny, but it does blacken the tires, given it a nice dark sheen, and lasts a couple of weeks. It's also cheaper than Mothers or Meguiar's. I've also heard good things about Mothers FX Tire Shine, again lasts a couple of weeks, though this is a bit more expensive (I think around twice the price, 200+ vs 400+). If you like the really shiny look, Meg's has a number of options, though they're all more expensive (from 600+ to over 1,000 pesos).

Oh, forgot to mention - the 200+ price is for a 500 ml bottle - I've seen the Microtex Tire Black in smaller sizes which would be less expensive, so it might be a good idea to give those a try first - if you don't like it, you've not spent all that much. Also, if you want a shinier look, you can apply a coat of the Microtex, let dry, then apply a second coat to add more gloss.

**Bin Diesel** · November 24th, 2011 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by smsmssp

Wow! Ang galing! Hindi ko kaagad nakita yung kotse. Akala ko simpleng pathway lang.

Ano sasakyan mo?

Wow parang sa predator lang. Akala ko may gusto kang ipakita sa pathway ng bahay ninyo, kung di ko pa naaninag gulong di ko makikita yung kotse.

**Retz** · November 24th, 2011 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by umi001

That's the clear gel that leaves a very shiny finish right? I'd throw that stuff away - it's solvent-based dressing, and will cause your tires to dry and crack over time. Microtex Tire Black is a water-based dressing which will not damage your tires - it isn't super shiny, but it does blacken the tires, given it a nice dark sheen, and lasts a couple of weeks. It's also cheaper than Mothers or Meguiar's. I've also heard good things about Mothers FX Tire Shine, again lasts a couple of weeks, though this is a bit more expensive (I think around twice the price, 200+ vs 400+). If you like the really shiny look, Meg's has a number of options, though they're all more expensive (from 600+ to over 1,000 pesos).

Oh, forgot to mention - the 200+ price is for a 500 ml bottle - I've seen the Microtex Tire Black in smaller sizes which would be less expensive, so it might be a good idea to give those a try first - if you don't like it, you've not spent all that much. Also, if you want a shinier look, you can apply a coat of the Microtex, let dry, then apply a second coat to add more gloss.

I already bought the Microtex. Will try it out this Sunday. Hopefully, I would get good result.

**Retz** · November 24th, 2011 10:08 PM

I was in the Manila Auto Salon earlier this afternoon and saw the Meguiar's booth. I inquired about their wax and polisher. The sales advisor told me that I should apply the polish first and then the wax to seal off the paint and the polisher completely. But the label on the Microtex Nanowax and Nanosliq tells us otherwise, you should wax it first (Nanowax) and the top coat would be the Nanosliq (polisher). Question is, which comes first? Wax or Polish? Quite confusing and im not a detailing expert myself.

**umi001** · November 24th, 2011 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Retz

I was in the Manila Auto Salon earlier this afternoon and saw the Meguiar's booth. I inquired about their wax and polisher. The sales advisor told me that I should apply the polish first and then the wax to seal off the paint and the polisher completely. But the label on the Microtex Nanowax and Nanosliq tells us otherwise, you should wax it first (Nanowax) and the top coat would be the Nanosliq (polisher). Question is, which comes first? Wax or Polish? Quite confusing and im not a detailing expert myself.

It's to do with varying terminology used by different companies. So, quick definition of terms first:

Compound - Highly abrasive product used to quickly cut through paint, for removal of deep scratches and etching.
Polish - Medium to light abrasive product (less aggressive than compounds). Used to remove swirls, light scratches, and hazing/marring left behind by compounding.
Glaze - Non-abrasive product. Used to temporarily fill in swirls and light scratches, as well as to add gloss and shine to the paint. Generally not very durable.
Wax/Sealant - Used for protection of paint from acid rain, oxidization, contamination, etc. Durability from a few weeks to months.
Spray Wax - Used to top up existing protection.
Quick Detailer - Used for light cleaning of paint (dust, fingerprints), as well as adding to shine, slickness and gloss.

Where the confusion comes in is that Meguiar's refers to products defined above as glazes, as (pure) polishes. On the other hand, the NanoSliq, despite whatever it reads in the ad material is a combination spray wax/quick detailer. So the products you mentioned above (making some assumptions) are:

Meguiar's (Deep Crystal) Polish - glaze
Meguiar's Ultimate Polish - polish
Meguiar's (Deep Crystal) Wax - wax
Meguiar's (Ultimate) Wax - wax
Microtex Nanoglos (wax) - wax
Microtex NanoSliq - spray wax/quick detailer

So, your order would be the polish to remove paint imperfections, glaze to add wetness, gloss and shine, wax to seal in the glaze, and then maintain using a spray wax/QD.

One other thing - some products contain what are called cleaners, which help remove contamination, as well as old wax and polish residue from the paint. These products generally cannot be put on top of another product, as they will just strip that prior product. NanoGlos contains some cleaners, so if you buy that, you cannot use it over any glaze or previous wax layer.

Hope that wasn't too confusing - do post if you need further clarification

**umi001** · November 24th, 2011 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Retz

I already bought the Microtex. Will try it out this Sunday. Hopefully, I would get good result.

Would certainly be interested in hearing your impressions

**Retz** · November 25th, 2011 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by umi001

It's to do with varying terminology used by different companies. So, quick definition of terms first:

Compound - Highly abrasive product used to quickly cut through paint, for removal of deep scratches and etching.
Polish - Medium to light abrasive product (less aggressive than compounds). Used to remove swirls, light scratches, and hazing/marring left behind by compounding.
Glaze - Non-abrasive product. Used to temporarily fill in swirls and light scratches, as well as to add gloss and shine to the paint. Generally not very durable.
Wax/Sealant - Used for protection of paint from acid rain, oxidization, contamination, etc. Durability from a few weeks to months.
Spray Wax - Used to top up existing protection.
Quick Detailer - Used for light cleaning of paint (dust, fingerprints), as well as adding to shine, slickness and gloss.

Where the confusion comes in is that Meguiar's refers to products defined above as glazes, as (pure) polishes. On the other hand, the NanoSliq, despite whatever it reads in the ad material is a combination spray wax/quick detailer. So the products you mentioned above (making some assumptions) are:

Meguiar's (Deep Crystal) Polish - glaze
Meguiar's Ultimate Polish - polish
Meguiar's (Deep Crystal) Wax - wax
Meguiar's (Ultimate) Wax - wax
Microtex Nanoglos (wax) - wax
Microtex NanoSliq - spray wax/quick detailer

So, your order would be the polish to remove paint imperfections, glaze to add wetness, gloss and shine, wax to seal in the glaze, and then maintain using a spray wax/QD.

One other thing - some products contain what are called cleaners, which help remove contamination, as well as old wax and polish residue from the paint. These products generally cannot be put on top of another product, as they will just strip that prior product. NanoGlos contains some cleaners, so if you buy that, you cannot use it over any glaze or previous wax layer.

Hope that wasn't too confusing - do post if you need further clarification

You explained it very well. I think the confusion mainly lies on the NanoSliq. I thought it was a polisher (as it was advertised and the name implies). So it is clear that wax is the final coating and spray wax/quick detailer are use for maintaining the wax.

**Retz** · November 25th, 2011 10:31 PM

hi umi001, i noticed your profile photo. it looks like circular droplets of water in the car hood. is that the effect of a wax car?

**umi001** · November 25th, 2011 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Retz

hi umi001, i noticed your profile photo. it looks like circular droplets of water in the car hood. is that the effect of a wax car?

Yes, it's called beading - all waxes and sealants exhibit it, to a greater or lesser extent. A few larger shots (this is with Dodo Juice Supernatural Hybrid as my wax):