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**weszt** · July 20th, 2010 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by madkatz

*weszt: the only swirls that SRP can remove are the really REALLY fine ones, for the deeper ones you need to polish for that, M21 actually has some filling abilities for a sealant and is good at covering swirls for up to 3 to 4 washes

I haven't tried SRP with m21 but they should be ok with each other since they are both polymer based, KAIO and SRP might have bonding issues because KAIO is acrylic based and SRP's cleaning properties might actually just remove KAIO and nullify its protection, KSG on the other hand might also have bonding issues because KSG is also acrylic based and usually the harder protection should go in first which means KSG first before SRP if we follow that rule but SRP might also remove KSG, as for KSG bonding over SRP it might bond but im putting my chances on KAIO and KSG and SRP and UGP since those products are really made to bond with their designated partners. m21 is a stand along sealant BTW thats why im quite confident it could bond over SRP

mga bonding issue na to ah. polymer to polymer. make sense also...
how do i improve the durabilty of the m21? do i need to apply paint cleaner? confused na ako...

tama ba to...

Paint cleaner muna bago ako mag AG SRP then wait to cure for 30mins then apply m21 then cure again for 8-10hrs or more then apply next gen 2.0? and pwede ko ba gamitin yung car pag kalagay ng m21?

out of stock kasi yung paint cleaner ng megs dito.. ano maganda pamalit as paint cleaner? meron yung claykit clener wax kaso diba hindi yun paint cleaner. my wax yun so hindi ok pang cleaning...

**rico_g** · July 20th, 2010 02:03 AM

mega detailing Sunday for me... clay - Step 1 - NanoGlos - 476 - tapos umulan..

before rain...

beading after rain

then i put nanosliq this morning... hayop sa beading lalo!!! I left my car at my office's open parking area... ayun naulanan...

I went home at midnight, drove at 80kph... pag uwi ko, almost dry na! just used plush MF to completely dry... halos moist lang ung MF! ayus! daig pa nung pagka-moist ng ultra plush when i apply nano-sliq!

**weszt** · July 20th, 2010 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by madkatz

*weszt: the only swirls that SRP can remove are the really REALLY fine ones, for the deeper ones you need to polish for that, M21 actually has some filling abilities for a sealant and is good at covering swirls for up to 3 to 4 washes

I haven't tried SRP with m21 but they should be ok with each other since they are both polymer based, KAIO and SRP might have bonding issues because KAIO is acrylic based and SRP's cleaning properties might actually just remove KAIO and nullify its protection, KSG on the other hand might also have bonding issues because KSG is also acrylic based and usually the harder protection should go in first which means KSG first before SRP if we follow that rule but SRP might also remove KSG, as for KSG bonding over SRP it might bond but im putting my chances on KAIO and KSG and SRP and UGP since those products are really made to bond with their designated partners. m21 is a stand along sealant BTW thats why im quite confident it could bond over SRP

mga bonding issue na to ah. polymer to polymer. make sense also...
how do i improve the durabilty of the m21? do i need to apply paint cleaner? confused na ako...

tama ba to...

Paint cleaner muna bago ako mag AG SRP then wait to cure for 30mins then apply m21 then cure again for 8-10hrs or more then apply next gen 2.0? and pwede ko ba gamitin yung car pag kalagay ng m21?

out of stock kasi yung paint cleaner ng megs dito.. ano maganda pamalit as paint cleaner? meron yung claykit clener wax kaso diba hindi yun paint cleaner. my wax yun so hindi ok pang cleaning...

my QD ako dito pwede ba yung pang clean?

**madkatz** · July 20th, 2010 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nik

mam, bakit po agad mag start ma deteriorate yung NXT sa first wash kung nakapatong sakanya yung durable na collinte?? kala ko ma proprotektahan ni collinite si NXT.. ano ho ma rerecomend nyong mabisang pre wax cleaner? kahit ho pure na cleaner lang kahit wala nang halong wax...
hindi ba ho kaya tangalin ng clay yung mga tinatangal ng pre wax cleaner?

salamat sa info mam ^_^

if you have collinite on top of NXT then it should last longer, Moms and Megs Step 1 are both great pre-wax cleaners, Collinite liquid sapphite is also good just be sure to take the pure cleaner one, clay can also remove those contaminants that pre-wax cleaner can remove but the tricky thing is especially for beginners is when they leave clay residue behind, but once a person it taught how to clay properly claying should already be enough

**madkatz** · July 20th, 2010 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by weszt

mga bonding issue na to ah. polymer to polymer. make sense also...
how do i improve the durabilty of the m21? do i need to apply paint cleaner? confused na ako...

tama ba to...

Paint cleaner muna bago ako mag AG SRP then wait to cure for 30mins then apply m21 then cure again for 8-10hrs or more then apply next gen 2.0? and pwede ko ba gamitin yung car pag kalagay ng m21?

out of stock kasi yung paint cleaner ng megs dito.. ano maganda pamalit as paint cleaner? meron yung claykit clener wax kaso diba hindi yun paint cleaner. my wax yun so hindi ok pang cleaning...

Yes paint cleaner first then AG SRP and then wait for 1 hour then m21 and then 12 hours and then NXT, and yes you can use the car when you finish with m21, just be sure to wash it again before you apply NXT and just pray that it doesn't rain during the 12 hour curing time of m21, m21 actually cures a lot faster, KSG cures for 24 hours. if they don't have Megs cleaner wax then its ok, actually after using swirlX you could proceed to SRP already since swirlX can also be considered as a cleaner, and yeah claykit can be used to clean paint as well to make SRP and m21 bond properly, clays aren't paint cleaners but it does the same job of cleaner the paint, so if you already have a clay kit then you don't need a prewax cleaner, or if you've just finished with swirlX you could go directly to SRP

**madkatz** · July 20th, 2010 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by rico_g

mega detailing Sunday for me... clay - Step 1 - NanoGlos - 476 - tapos umulan..

before rain...

beading after rain

then i put nanosliq this morning... hayop sa beading lalo!!! I left my car at my office's open parking area... ayun naulanan...

I went home at midnight, drove at 80kph... pag uwi ko, almost dry na! just used plush MF to completely dry... halos moist lang ung MF! ayus! daig pa nung pagka-moist ng ultra plush when i apply nano-sliq!

nice job!

WOW those are really tight water beading, they already look like small bearings its so nice to look at, its really cute when you see beads that small and round and then drive around and just see them fly off the paint hehehe

**Nik** · July 20th, 2010 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by madkatz

if you have collinite on top of NXT then it should last longer, Moms and Megs Step 1 are both great pre-wax cleaners, Collinite liquid sapphite is also good just be sure to take the pure cleaner one, clay can also remove those contaminants that pre-wax cleaner can remove but the tricky thing is especially for beginners is when they leave clay residue behind, but once a person it taught how to clay properly claying should already be enough

ayun !! got it mam.. salamat madami.. ^_^

question: 476s or 815(yung insulator wax)? ano po pinag ka iba? and ano mas maganda saknilang dalawa.. sa ibang thread kasi insulator wax gamit nila..

**madkatz** · July 20th, 2010 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by weszt

mga bonding issue na to ah. polymer to polymer. make sense also...
how do i improve the durabilty of the m21? do i need to apply paint cleaner? confused na ako...

tama ba to...

Paint cleaner muna bago ako mag AG SRP then wait to cure for 30mins then apply m21 then cure again for 8-10hrs or more then apply next gen 2.0? and pwede ko ba gamitin yung car pag kalagay ng m21?

out of stock kasi yung paint cleaner ng megs dito.. ano maganda pamalit as paint cleaner? meron yung claykit clener wax kaso diba hindi yun paint cleaner. my wax yun so hindi ok pang cleaning...

my QD ako dito pwede ba yung pang clean?

well even if you use a cleaning QD on your paint you still can't get it 100% clean so you're better off with a pre-wax cleaner or a clay bar, claybars a more expensive but its well worth it, prewax cleaners are really cheap actually mothers has one for less than 500 i think, if you're thinking about using a QD for cleaning the paint you're better off using 50:50 dilution of isopropyl alcohol to clean the paint, thats what we use to remove oils from polishes to check if the correction has been or just filled

**Nik** · July 20th, 2010 02:45 AM

guys tanong lang..O.A. na ba masyado kung ganto gagawin ko?

1. Megs clay kit
2. megs deep crystal system cleaner wax (pure cleaner ba ho to? hindi ba nag babawas clearcoat?)
3. megs colorX (ano ba talaga ginagawa nito? bawas clearcoat?) eto sana para pang paganda ng paint .. parang salamin ulit at lumabas yung kulay talaga..
4. m21 (eto sealant ko para mawala swirls)
5. NXT 2.0 (sa looks para muka mirror)
6. 476s (protection)

san po dyan dapat ko tangalin na step? may mas mganda ba kesa sa mga product sa bawat step na plano ko? suggestions please.. salamat

**madkatz** · July 20th, 2010 02:58 AM

*jmpet626: heres the link to my post

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...t-bonding.html

i actually feel like i didn't get my answer regarding the topic but anyways, see we've just tested some glazes topped with KSG and we noticed that it does in a noticeable way affect the sealants durability, so i was asking for the good ones and i didn't quite get my answer but anyways, i found my answer from our mentor he recommended an acrylic glaze he said he'll ship over to us from the US its a purely acrylic glaze that makes KSG and polymers bond to it properly, its one of the few glazes that doesn't have any oils in it, but it costs a damn 150$ for 64oz but we're taking the bite since we can pay him later at September. and PB blackhole also works great on sealants so far, but we're still on the 6th week mark of checking its effect on KSG, i just hope it can last longer and not affect KSG at all so far all other glazes with KSG have already died down on beading and shine and right now only PB blackhole stands strong

also regarding the scratches, remember the hoods you guys used to practice rotary buffing? i've already tried wet sanding the thing and buffing it out again but it still has swirls in it, and if you look close enough i think its like the panel has been paint and then swirled and then painted again with clear coat because no matter how many times we compound the panel the same scratches always appear, so right now we're ruling out surface defect it looks like a painting defect already i think the painter got lazy and just sprayed on some clear coat without properly checking if the surface was swirl free before wet sanding the panel and laying the CC