TVR cars

[OyiL]

between people who are all theory, no experience in running a business, never conceptualized and built anything their lives...

and someone like GH who runs a business, has conceptualized and built tangible stuff...

GH has more credibility

i dont know who you are comparing with GH. pero im my opinion, GH cannot be a team player. And ULS can affect team spirit by his demotivating character. Pero both ULS and GH can be consultants na lang. the project team can ask them about specific subjects, accept their opinions - pag the team thinks its relevant. This way, it wont affect the team.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION HA....hindi ako nam-pepersonal.

[actor21]

most kit cars are built by their owners. konti lang siguro yung bibili ng buo na, kaya ganyan.

i think TVRs are sold assembled already..correct me if im wrong guys...

pero tama si GH, kung ang TVR na pagka mahal mahal me problem pa...lalo siguro pag medyo mura..

pero im not giving up of the idea na mala lambo look in and out pero mura na pinoy car...sana lang meron isang gawa na para madaling ma imagine ng bibili ang kahihitnan ng end product

[ghosthunter]

i guess you think that the current members dont have the technical skills to accomplish the goal.

to me technical skill can be acquired easily. example: I didnt know how to do 3D modelling 2 years ago. pero i progressed and now pwede na pang product presentation yung mga renders ko using only free tools. what's important is the will to acquire the needed skills. Pag nag-iinterview ako ng applicants dito, i dont just look at their current skills. I also try to find out how much they are interested in the job they are applying for. I present situations, ask what they will do in those situations and review their answers. as a result, those people hired that i had a hand interviewing, have stayed longer and their performance also shows constant improvements.

You are misreading me. I am not concerned about technical skill because that can be found easy enough (or worst, hired for a fee). I am concerned about the core group itself.

[ghosthunter]

i dont know who you are comparing with GH. pero im my opinion, GH cannot be a team player.

Well, just to clarify, not this in particular "team" because I have seen them. And what they have accomplished in the amount of time already spent doesn't really contribute to confidence to the project either.

I prefer to use the term "team" loosely because of the way the whole thing is setup.

[uls]

concrete example of successful concept to reality --- Speedlab

from concept to up-and-running business in a short period of time

when you get people together with an idea and WILLINGNESS to commit CAPITAL, things HAPPEN

[OyiL]

You are misreading me. I am not concerned about technical skill because that can be found easy enough (or worst, hired for a fee). I am concerned about the core group itself.

oh. akala ko you presented your car building skills as a reference to say that the right people for the core group should have the skills that you have.

so if not technical, which characteristic of the core group bothers you? do you think it can be fixed? do you have an implementable idea how this problem that you see can be mitigated?

or do you want to suggest that the core group should just stop and give up?

[OyiL]

concrete example of successful concept to reality --- Speedlab

from concept to up-and-running business in a short period of time

when you get people together with an idea and WILLINGNESS to commit CAPITAL, things HAPPEN

is speedlab an r&d start-up? do they have their own products - i mean designed and developed by them? if they do, then baka magandang model nga yan.

[architect]

Lest some misconceptions are misconstrued as facts, let me clarify certain issues here.

First of all, the objective of the core group has never been just to design and build a car. Rather it is more about attempting to develop an infrastructure that will help maintain and sustain what we term as the local cottage automotive industry. Designing and actually building a car is simply just one of the objectives. But our priority is the overall picture. That’s why it is downright exasperating having to deal with naysayers who do not even know our primary objectives yet keep on harping at what they perceived to be our failure to produce a car per their own timetable. What if I reveal now that even before, the internal schedule for producing a car has been set beyond 2012? There are simply too many issues that need to be resolved in order to stabilize the cottage industry. In barking at a single tree, the naysayers simply have failed to see the whole forest.

As for the core competence, right on the onset, it was determined no one was indispensable. That being the case, old members leave and new members join. Inasmuch as producing a car wasn’t our initial top priority, there was no urgency in acquiring the requisite competence for such task. That is why we recruited mostly academicians, businessmen, and other pertinent professionals to join in our first attempt to expand the group. And while we do invite potential members to join our EBs, we never reveal the whole picture to them until we deem them suitable for the group. Since the group is expected to be a multi-discipline, eclectic bunch, more than just technical skills, we needed members with sufficient people skills as well; members who can work as part of a team. Those who were deemed otherwise were obviously not invited a second time. Of course, we can’t stop them from making assumptions about the group in the same manner no one can stop the six blind men from making conclusions about the elephant.

As to the design process, unless you are a true design professional, be it in architecture, automotive design, interior design, etc., you will never really comprehend the intricacies of the lateral thinking. I am not talking about working on a high school or college project or on some part time hobby. I am talking about real-world projects, funded by clients’ money, be it a hundred thousand dollars or a hundred million dollars. Unless you have the experience, you will never understand the difference between a great designer and a mediocre one. The latter will limit his design vocabulary to what is proven while the former will not be afraid to experiment, even expanding his design primitives, simply because he knows what he is doing.

And just what makes the great designer confident? It is from years and years of practice, of unbridled experimentation, of finding out what works and what does not work, by constantly pushing the envelope – never minding if occasionally a resultant design is not implementable. It is the experience, the knowledge that comes with experimentation that matters. For when the time comes, it is the same experience, the same knowledge that will push the designer to greater heights. This Tsikot design subforum was conceived to be just the platform for unbridled experimentation. So frankly I can’t understand why a lot of fuss is being made about all the designs. For God’s sake, they are just design exercises.

As for business experience, who among the naysayers have managed a multi-million dollar company? Who has started up a company with less than $700 and in less than five years achieved annual sales of more than $100 million? Who has actually published papers on the automotive industry not only locally but overseas? Who has built his own car and is actually using it? Who has won entrepreneurial awards? Our members have done and achieved these. What about you? It is so easy to make criticisms from the comfort of one’s armchair but it takes brains and guts to go out and actually do things the better way. At least we are not afraid to fail.

But the bottom line is the Tsikot design group does not owe any outsider anything. We never promised anyone anything. Just backread. Yet we constantly find ourselves defending against comments and remarks by outsiders who don’t know any better. Yes, the issues they raised are valid. Yes, they are good questions. But within the context of what we are trying to achieve – and again, it is not just about designing and building cars – they are not urgent issues that need to be tackled at this time. It is simply too premature. Yet core members find themselves wasting time debating the matter until the discussion degenerates into personal conflicts. Is it coincidental that some of the naysayers are involved in so many on-line personal conflicts? Maybe this is what they live for. Maybe this is what they seek and enjoy.

But I don’t. I really disdain conflicts. Simply because there are no winners here. At the end of the day, what do you achieve with personal conflicts? Bruised egos and hurt feelings. Is it really worth it???

The conflicts, the personal insults, are the very reason why some of the core members have established our own forum. There at least disagreements – and believe me, there are a lot – are all settled objectively – no name calling, no flamebaiting, no trolling. No manifestations of childish immaturity whatsoever. In contrast, this subforum seems to bring out the worst in some of the members.

Right now, rather than waste more of our time, I am more than inclined to convince all the core members to leave this subforum and just use our private forum. The naysayers can have this subforum all to themselves. And maybe, just maybe, they will find fulfillment in arguing with each other just for the sake of arguing.

[Phoenix67]

^^ sir Architect ... I envy you for your "anger management skills" hehehe

maybe the thread could be locked ?!?

[jpdm]

As for business experience, who among the naysayers have managed a multi-million dollar company? Who has started up a company with less than $700 and in less than five years achieved annual sales of more than $100 million? Who has actually published papers on the automotive industry not only locally but overseas? Who has built his own car and is actually using it? Who has won entrepreneurial awards? Our members have done and achieved these. What about you? It is so easy to make criticisms from the comfort of one’s armchair but it takes brains and guts to go out and actually do things the better way. At least we are not afraid to fail.

But the bottom line is the Tsikot design group does not owe any outsider anything. We never promised anyone anything. Just backread. Yet we constantly find ourselves defending against comments and remarks by outsiders who don’t know any better. Yet core members find themselves wasting time debating the matter until the discussion degenerates into personal conflicts. Is it coincidental that some of the naysayers are involved in so many on-line personal conflicts? Maybe this is what they live for. Maybe this is what they seek and enjoy.


Right now, rather than waste more of our time, I am more than inclined to convince all the core members to leave this subforum and just use our private forum. The naysayers can have this subforum all to themselves. And maybe, just maybe, they will find fulfillment in arguing with each other just for the sake of arguing.

Well said.