TVR cars

**ghosthunter** · November 9th, 2009 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by jpdm

Hindi rin magets ng iba dito e.

Maybe somebody should again explain the difference between actual design project and design "project" in a forum.Somebody should also explain the difference between pure research (that does need to be implemented) and applied research (should be used in actual situations).

Again design and research in the real word are used as guides let say in putting up an actual business. And this forum is far from that. Even research is per se different from a feasibility study and the most serious and important one, the business plan.

It is a waste of time and effort if the so-called "design and research" here was made using tremendous amount of money. Seems some people here forgot, this is just a FORUM.

This is why I felt "Architect" is looking at the wrong set of people to accomplish his goals of actually producing a car. This is how I felt on his first invite of me long ago and this is how I still feel about it when we recently talked about it again of me.

So WILDTHING aka PHOENIX68, let me clarify things for you, I turned down joining this group because I felt the current group of people do not what it takes to make it happen.

**jpdm** · November 9th, 2009 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

This is why I felt "Architect" is looking at the wrong set of people to accomplish his goals of actually producing a car. This is how I felt on his first invite of me long ago and this is how I still feel about it when we recently talked about it again of me.

So WILDTHING aka PHOENIX68, let me clarify things for you, I turned down joining this group because I felt the current group of people do not what it takes to make it happen.

IMHO, This is how you feel.

Perhaps maybe, and I guess wildthing see you the same way and he felt you dont have what it takes to make it happen.

Anyway, I guess, you all have different views.

just my humble opinion.

**ghosthunter** · November 9th, 2009 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by jpdm

IMHO, This is how you feel.

Perhaps maybe, and I guess wildthing see you the same way and he felt you dont have what it takes to make it happen.

Anyway, I guess, you all have different views.

just my humble opinion.

Just stating there were two cars I had a hand in back in my days in DLSU.

Both cars were from an idea on paper to a "car" in matter of months.

And the one I was more involved in was displayed at the DOST science & technology fair for that year (1994 I think) as entries from DLSU along side other projects our group had done including robots and other automation devices.

**jpdm** · November 9th, 2009 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Just stating there were two cars I had a hand in back in my days in DLSU.

Both cars were from an idea on paper to a "car" in matter of months.

And the one I was more involved in was displayed at the DOST science & technology fair for that year (1994 I think) as entries from DLSU along side other projects our group had done including robots and other automation devices.

Good.

But the question is, before putting down their capacity and capability also, (Tsikot ragtag team), have you at least check their background, their accomplishments or what they may accomplished? Just like what you mentioned (your accomplishments) in your post?

In fairness to these people, they have what it takes. But in every effort (because it cannot be truly called a project per se), it takes time to accomplish it.

**uls** · November 9th, 2009 10:55 AM

between people who are all theory, no experience in running a business, never conceptualized and built anything their lives...

and someone like GH who runs a business, has conceptualized and built tangible stuff...

GH has more credibility

**jpdm** · November 9th, 2009 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by uls

between people who are all theory, no experience in running a business, never conceptualized and built anything their lives...

and someone like GH who runs a business, has conceptualized and built tangible stuff...

GH has more credibility

IHMO,

Honestly, you dont know better.

In the first place, do you know the people Im talking about?

Have you met them personally?

Have you check their background?

I firmly belief, you never got to know or meet them.

Thus, where did you get these (all theory and not build anything in their lives) ideas? or simply another of your speculative realities?

I want to know first and answer this question directly.

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IMHO, you are definitely wrong that they are all theory and NEVER run a business and built anything in their lives.

I am more convinced that they have accomplished more by running their own business and building things through their own sweat and blood.

I respect your opinion on GH.

But based on my opinion, they have more credibility.

**OyiL** · November 9th, 2009 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by uls

no need to apologize dude

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what i meant by "in the clouds" is that designers and dreamers are caught up in their imaginings and don't care about dollars and cents

parang nakalutang sila sa clouds...

drawings (sa papel o sa computer) cost nearly nothing

it's when you begin to turn the drawings into the real thing... that's when reality bites

ngayon kailangan mo na bumili ng materyales

sheet metal, steel tubes, fiberglass...

you need tools

kelangan mo mag hire ng latero (unless marunong ka mag latero, gumamit ng acetylene, mag welding)

kelangan mo ng gagawa ng fiberglass

kelangan mo ng pintor

gotta buy an engine with transmission, axles, wheels, tires, brakes, steering mech., and many other parts...

kelangan mo ng mechaniko (unless marunong ka magmekaniko)

yan ang dollars and cents

the reason why many concepts/projects are left unfinished is coz of lack of funding

yan nga rin ibig ko sabihin. yan ang interpretation ko. there are a lot of engineering disciplines, and they all look at the cost. kaya sinali ko yung engineer.

**OyiL** · November 9th, 2009 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

And would you think a car designed and built with less budget and sold for a whole lot less money would do better?

most kit cars are built by their owners. konti lang siguro yung bibili ng buo na, kaya ganyan.

**OyiL** · November 9th, 2009 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

This is why I felt "Architect" is looking at the wrong set of people to accomplish his goals of actually producing a car. This is how I felt on his first invite of me long ago and this is how I still feel about it when we recently talked about it again of me.

So WILDTHING aka PHOENIX68, let me clarify things for you, I turned down joining this group because I felt the current group of people do not what it takes to make it happen.

hmm... challenge.

**OyiL** · November 9th, 2009 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Just stating there were two cars I had a hand in back in my days in DLSU.

Both cars were from an idea on paper to a "car" in matter of months.

And the one I was more involved in was displayed at the DOST science & technology fair for that year (1994 I think) as entries from DLSU along side other projects our group had done including robots and other automation devices.

i guess you think that the current members dont have the technical skills to accomplish the goal.

to me technical skill can be acquired easily. example: I didnt know how to do 3D modelling 2 years ago. pero i progressed and now pwede na pang product presentation yung mga renders ko using only free tools. what's important is the will to acquire the needed skills. Pag nag-iinterview ako ng applicants dito, i dont just look at their current skills. I also try to find out how much they are interested in the job they are applying for. I present situations, ask what they will do in those situations and review their answers. as a result, those people hired that i had a hand interviewing, have stayed longer and their performance also shows constant improvements.