Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

**ghosthunter** · December 23rd, 2009 11:46 PM

If we are supposedly must focus on our strengths, why are you suggesting we make a car from the ground up when we do not have any of the industrial foundations to build one?

We do not have a facility of design and build our own engines.

We do not have the facility to mass produce stamped steel sheet forms.

We do not have the facility to mass produce cast/extruded steel forms with the proper steel alloys. Example, suspension.

We do not have the facility to mass produce the small bits that finish a car. Example, door handles, formed headlights, and plastic bumpers.

Who is going to invest billions of pesos so we would have the facilities to make a proper Pinoy car? The potential return of investment is too uncertain, and even thinking positive, the ROI would be simply too long. It would be simpler and more profitable (using smaller investment funds) to simply import existing cars, like what the current local car companies (example: nissan, toyota, honda) are doing now.

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If we are supposed to focus on our strengths, then we should just keep on exporting labor abroad. It is contributing a major part of the country's national gross income.

**noelhingco** · December 24th, 2009 10:09 AM

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**kitsons** · December 24th, 2009 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

If we are supposedly must focus on our strengths, why are you suggesting we make a car from the ground up when we do not have any of the industrial foundations to build one?

We do not have a facility of design and build our own engines.

We do not have the facility to mass produce stamped steel sheet forms.

We do not have the facility to mass produce cast/extruded steel forms with the proper steel alloys. Example, suspension.

We do not have the facility to mass produce the small bits that finish a car. Example, door handles, formed headlights, and plastic bumpers.

Who is going to invest billions of pesos so we would have the facilities to make a proper Pinoy car? The potential return of investment is too uncertain, and even thinking positive, the ROI would be simply too long. It would be simpler and more profitable (using smaller investment funds) to simply import existing cars, like what the current local car companies (example: nissan, toyota, honda) are doing now.

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If we are supposed to focus on our strengths, then we should just keep on exporting labor abroad. It is contributing a major part of the country's national gross income.

[SIZE=5]What do you propose we do to help in alleviating the situation here?[/SIZE]

**ghosthunter** · December 24th, 2009 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by kitsons

[SIZE=3]What do you propose we do to help in alleviating the situation here?[/SIZE]

Killing all the corrupt government officials would be a good start.

**ehnriko** · December 24th, 2009 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

If we are supposedly must focus on our strengths, why are you suggesting we make a car from the ground up when we do not have any of the industrial foundations to build one?

We do not have a facility of design and build our own engines.

We do not have the facility to mass produce stamped steel sheet forms.

We do not have the facility to mass produce cast/extruded steel forms with the proper steel alloys. Example, suspension.

We do not have the facility to mass produce the small bits that finish a car. Example, door handles, formed headlights, and plastic bumpers.

Who is going to invest billions of pesos so we would have the facilities to make a proper Pinoy car? The potential return of investment is too uncertain, and even thinking positive, the ROI would be simply too long. It would be simpler and more profitable (using smaller investment funds) to simply import existing cars, like what the current local car companies (example: nissan, toyota, honda) are doing now.

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If we are supposed to focus on our strengths, then we should just keep on exporting labor abroad. It is contributing a major part of the country's national gross income.

On the contrary,

Exporting our Labor (STRENGTHS) abroad - is only increasing the STRENGTH of other countries - not our own.

If you look at people as forms of energy - then enthropy favors other countries except our own.

People is a Resource - and other countries recognize this.

The Industrial Parks in Laguna and Carmona are manufacturing suspension parts for Honda, Nissan and Toyota or Mitsubishi. It is Pinoys who are working there, engineers and skilled labor - instead of working abroad - these companies located their manufacturing and assembly plants here - Technology transfer is readily available - unless these workers are under an NDA.

I am not suggesting ground up approach. What I am suggesting is partial approach.

Jappy can build good quality coaches... There are a few Chassis Builders for OTJ's... Harnesses can be subcontracted in EPZA Rosario - even computer boxes... Tranny's can be ordered from Cebu, Suspension parts - perhaps we can use some from Laguna... Engines -power trains maybe - China is the best option... Body Parts/ Seats/ Interior/ Glass/ window Raisers/ other small stuff - for as long as cast iron, zinc, brass, fiber glass, plexi glass/ GI or BI or aluminum or Stainless - can be sourced or subcontracted locally.

The Anfra approach was a good approach.... we just need more imagination with the design.

This is what I am talking or suggesting about. Sarao and Legaspi as well as Francisco employed thousands of workers before... back when the competition was small. We can use or compete with the existing technology - therefore, we can't beat the competition in their own game. But we can always make our own game. Conceptualize an entirely new platform that will make use of local materials and resources... Just thinking out loud here. Bamboo Composite Chassis for instance. (It's expensive for limited production - but it is a sustainable material - and will be low cost with an economy of scale.)

you know what I mean.

**ehnriko** · December 24th, 2009 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Killing all the corrupt government officials would be a good start.

I like this one!

hehehe

**ghosthunter** · December 24th, 2009 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by ehnriko

I like this one!

hehehe

Well, even China is not free of corruption but those who are caught and found guilty are directly taken to the back of the court and shot by the waiting firing squad.

Effective way to minimize government corruption. Great deterrent and gets rid of the "trash" of coming back again.

**ehnriko** · December 24th, 2009 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Well, even China is not free of corruption but those who are caught and found guilty are directly taken to the back of the court and shot by the waiting firing squad.

Effective way to minimize government corruption. Great deterrent and gets rid of the "trash" of coming back again.

Thats a fact.

In our country - there is quite a contrast. We have the best laws... and also the best Law breakers.

Those who are getting executed are not the corruptors... The crooks are even placed under heavy security... ironical in itself actually.

If ARMM is indeed autonomous - then let Sharriah Law prevail there and let them stone these guilty parties to death. Democracy is more favorable to criminals. This is a weakness in the system that perhaps - can be used as an advantage.

The good needs to make themselves stronger ( tactically and technically ) so they can take full advantage of this Government loophole.

**jpdm** · December 24th, 2009 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Killing all the corrupt government officials would be a good start.

Dead serious?

If you are, and as a person who keep on emphasizing that we should be realistic why not you do it..

Do what you preach.

**jpdm** · December 24th, 2009 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

If we are supposedly must focus on our strengths, why are you suggesting we make a car from the ground up when we do not have any of the industrial foundations to build one?

We do not have a facility of design and build our own engines.

We do not have the facility to mass produce stamped steel sheet forms.

We do not have the facility to mass produce cast/extruded steel forms with the proper steel alloys. Example, suspension.

We do not have the facility to mass produce the small bits that finish a car. Example, door handles, formed headlights, and plastic bumpers.

Who is going to invest billions of pesos so we would have the facilities to make a proper Pinoy car? The potential return of investment is too uncertain, and even thinking positive, the ROI would be simply too long. It would be simpler and more profitable (using smaller investment funds) to simply import existing cars, like what the current local car companies (example: nissan, toyota, honda) are doing now.

And your point? A yes, its hopeless right. And thats the reality, right?