Living Advocacy: The Tsikot PhUV

[ghosthunter]

i understand what you mean and i agree its easier to make vehicles that way..in fact the japs did reverse engineering in the olden days to make cars and other stuff...but do you really think those car giants will just give you the license? you made it sound too simple as if you can just pop into toyota's front door and get it from them..

We won't know unless someone (with vested interests) tries.

In the very least, it would still be sold under the Toyota brand with rebadging of the vehicle name. It would depend on the type of agreement you can get hammered out with Toyota.

[romski123]

We won't know unless someone (with vested interests) tries.

In the very least, it would still be sold under the Toyota brand with rebadging of the vehicle name. It would depend on the type of agreement you can get hammered out with Toyota.

we tried na. MVPMAP talked to Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan. It was not entertained.

[ghosthunter]

we tried na. MVPMAP talked to Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan. It was not entertained.

Don't take this as anything bad BUT unless you show proper business credentials, you won't get entertained.

If all you showed was the PHUV or the E-jeepney, any auto manufacturer will not waste their time.

After all, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan are in the business to make money not advocacy.

[jpdm]

we tried na. MVPMAP talked to Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan. It was not entertained.

Siguro i-redesign na lang yung red PHUV. Oka naman sya as replacement for jeepneys and native assemblers' AUV.

[webmiester]

Don't take this as anything bad BUT unless you show proper business credentials, you won't get entertained.

If all you showed was the PHUV or the E-jeepney, any auto manufacturer will not waste their time.

After all, Toyota, Mitsubishi and Nissan are in the business to make money not advocacy.

Actually I think we can pruchase the designs but it will not be cheap I think. Korean companies did this kaya the old Hyundai Gallopers were exactly the same as the old Pajero's, The Hyundai Porter was the same as the Mitsubishi L300, and the original best selling Starex was actually a Mitsubichi Space Wagon design... Daewoo naman used or bought the designs for Opel's old cars. It can be done but they are still expensive. If the market is only in the Philippines, baka di mabawi yung cost to acquire the design.

[ghosthunter]

Actually I think we can pruchase the designs but it will not be cheap I think.

I didn't say it would be cheap. I said it would save us time and speed up the learning curve in getting a vehicle to production.

Given the disaster of the original PhUV proto-type, a more successful followup would be preferred.

[niky]

If the market is only in the Philippines, baka di mabawi yung cost to acquire the design.

And this is the short and long of the problem. Given the price of motor vehicles versus the average wages locally, the volume isn't there for a locally made vehicle if it can't bust below the 200k barrier.

The trouble with the Philippines is we have a rich automotive history, but a poor present. The game has changed. We are now becoming a more modern Philippines by following in the footsteps of other ASEAN nations and embracing the underbone revolution.

The burgeoning motorcycle market allows space for local manufacturers because even the smallest players in the game has twice the market volume that the biggest automakers do. The rate of turnover and return-on-investment means that new models can be engineered, designed, and made profitable, all in short order.

Until we get that kind of volume for cars, we won't get a local auto-company off the ground.

In that respect, it might pay to "think small". Start with motorcycles. Level up to motorcycle-based delivery vehicles (motorcycle-based delivery trikes with rear-wheel drive and a solid rear axle seem to be gaining in popularity), then go to small family cars and cargo vehicles.

That way, you have the sales volume and capital needed to fund development of your bigger projects. ;)

[hein]

Siguro i-redesign na lang yung red PHUV. Oka naman sya as replacement for jeepneys and native assemblers' AUV.

Let that UgLY PhUV die a peaceful death. The MVPMAP has already given it up for Dead because of the disastrous negative public reaction to it.

[uls]

there are brand new AUVs in the market costing more than P1,000,000

meron bumibili

if people buy million peso AUVs, then people will most definitely buy .5 million peso locally made AUVs right?

DEPENDS

depends on the product

locally made AUVs are so ugly nobody is crazy enough to pay .5 million for them

so in this case, NO

nobody is gonna pay half a million bucks for an ugly locally made AUV

the Japanese assemblers can price their AUVs at P800,000 to P1,300,000 and people still buy them coz the products are good

THE PRODUCTS DESERVE THE PRICES

the locals can't even produce anything close to what the Chinese can produce

and the Chinese price is the price the locals are after

the local products do not deserve their asking prices

maybe if the locals price their products lower

like around P150,000.... maybe the market will start considering

but hey, that's below their production cost

see the problem?

[uls]

if the locals were to produce the quality equivalent of... say... an Isuzu Crosswind, it would cost the locals 2 or 3X more than it costs for Isuzu Phils. to produce one

coz the locals don't have what the Japanese assemblers have -- economies of scale

the locals are stuck

either they produce something ugly and cheap (which nobody will buy)

or they produce something really good but too expensive (which also nobody will buy)