Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

**jpdm** · September 3rd, 2009 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by dongramos

Let me just do a bullet list of my two cents worth.
- Pinoy Engineers to design and buid an engine? Definitely. Been there , done that. I was part of the project group that implemented a new engine design. had it prototyped, durability tested and eventually ready for production. Pinoy engineers were involved and even up to now they are still at it.
- .1 mm tolerance? of course and even much much closer tolerances were designed and implemented.
- Ricardo Engineers? worked with them before at their design facility in the UK near brighton.
- Can the Pinoys design and build and engine and even a complete vehicle from zero? Yes we certainly can, but you have to ask the good pinoy engineers to come home and do this for us. Make it worth their while too and not just for a sense of patriotism.
- Financial capability is another thing. It becomes a chicken and egg question. Will you hold off building a car or engine until the market can give you the required economy of scale? Or do you design such that the volume will give you the economy of scale you require. It is a risk and it is a business risk that the capital provider will have to make. This, I believe is the only factor that limits us. Technically the Pinoys can do it because we have done it already, unfortunately not in and for the Philippines.

Well said sir.

**hein** · September 4th, 2009 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by dongramos

Let me just do a bullet list of my two cents worth.
- Pinoy Engineers to design and buid an engine? Definitely. Been there , done that. I was part of the project group that implemented a new engine design. had it prototyped, durability tested and eventually ready for production. Pinoy engineers were involved and even up to now they are still at it.
- .1 mm tolerance? of course and even much much closer tolerances were designed and implemented.
- Ricardo Engineers? worked with them before at their design facility in the UK near brighton.
- Can the Pinoys design and build and engine and even a complete vehicle from zero? Yes we certainly can, but you have to ask the good pinoy engineers to come home and do this for us. Make it worth their while too and not just for a sense of patriotism.
- Financial capability is another thing. It becomes a chicken and egg question. Will you hold off building a car or engine until the market can give you the required economy of scale? Or do you design such that the volume will give you the economy of scale you require. It is a risk and it is a business risk that the capital provider will have to make. This, I believe is the only factor that limits us. Technically the Pinoys can do it because we have done it already, unfortunately not in and for the Philippines.

If the engine is not made in the Philippines and not for the Philippines in a foreign-owned facility, then it is not a Pinoy-built engine.

If you are a Pinoy working for a FOREIGN engine manufacturer using their design and capital equipment, you cannot claim that it is a Filipino-made engine.

The same way that Pinoy computer animators at DISNEY-PIXAR cannot claim that UP is a Pinoy-made movie.

**uls** · September 4th, 2009 09:56 AM

yep

pinoy engineers abroad use tools and materials provided to them by foreign capitalists

that's how they are able to build stuff

(and they also get paid by foreign capitalists, that's why they are willing to build stuff)

if those pinoy engineers came back to the Phils., with the intention to build engines and/or cars here, they will still need someone to provide the tools and materials they need, and pay them for their effort (unless they are willing to work for free... out of patriotism)

like i said earlier, people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

all this "THE PINOY CAN" talk is getting really old

**hein** · September 4th, 2009 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by uls

Like i said earlier, people have to make the distinction between BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING

All this "THE PINOY CAN" talk is getting really old

Actually, TRUE ACHIEVEMENT requires both components, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING.

When Tony Tankiaktong's wife had the best formula for a Pinoy burger, he rounded up relatives to put up the capital for an ice cream parlor/hamburger joint in Cubao. Thereby establishing the first branch of JOLLIBEE.

When Larry Page and Sergey Brin were college drop-outs with an idea of making the best search engine in the world, they pulled out their life savings and maxed out their credit cards to purchase hard-drives for their servers. They also convinced two venture capitalists to join their effort, thereby forming GOOGLE in a garage.

GOOGLE's First Head Office

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is.

But they never really go beyond that.

**uls** · September 4th, 2009 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by hein

Actually, TRUE ACHIEVEMENT requires both components, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING and HAVING THE MEANS TO DO SOMETHING.

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is. But they never really go beyond that.

that's exactly my point

there are people kasi who keep on posting those MAGALING ANG PINOY stuff

pinoys can do this, pinoys can do that, pinoys can build this, pinoys can build that...

we get it already

we know PINOYS CAN

Pinoys can do anything the Americans, Japanese, Europeans, Koreans can

alam natin magaling ang pinoy

alam natin talented ang pinoy

ok?

we sooooo get it already

CAN WE GO BEYOND THAT NA?

sana hindi puro planning stage lang

kahit sino pwede mag plano eh

plano ko gumawa ng sasakyan na di sumasayad sa sahig

**jpdm** · September 4th, 2009 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by hein

When Tony Tankiaktong's wife had the best formula for a Pinoy burger, he rounded up relatives to put up the capital for an ice cream parlor/hamburger joint in Cubao. Thereby establishing the first branch of JOLLIBEE.

The Pinoys have oodles of the first component, BEING ABLE (AND WILLING) TO DO SOMETHING.
That is where "THE PINOY CAN" talk is.

But they never really go beyond that.

You just mentioned Tony Tancaktiong of Jollibee...

And they went beyond just "being able (and willing) to do something (your so-called" The Pinoy Can talk") right?

you just negated your own statement.

**jpdm** · September 4th, 2009 06:00 PM

RP-made Bamboo Bike Unveiled

September 3, 2009
Business Mirror

FIVE University of the Philippines alumni, who are members of the UP Mountaineers, have succeeded in creating a bike with its frame made of bamboo.
The team, composed of Hecky Villanueva, Englebert Chan, John Climaco, Ramon Siojo and Eric Cadiz, used international bike designer Craig Calfee’s technology in making the bamboo bike after learning his procedure in a workshop with him.

The procedure includes heat treatment, smoking and coating the frame with satin polyurethane to seal it. Abaca was used to join the different components together.
Under Kawayan Technologies, these UP alumni aim to make the Philippines a knowledge center in using bamboo for export-quality bikes, surfboards, skateboards, wheelchairs and other proucts.
They plan to establish partnerships with local organizations such as Gawad Kalinga and the Tarlac provincial government as a start.

No matter how simple their product is...at least they done something for this country instead of just putting down Pinoy capability and being super loud mouth CRABS ( with terrible crab mentality)

**ghosthunter** · September 4th, 2009 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by jpdm

No matter how simple their product is...at least they done something for this country instead of just putting down Pinoy capability and being super loud mouth CRABS ( with terrible crab mentality)

Are you referring to this thread?

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...t=61858&page=4