Next-Gen Suzuki Jimny

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The ambiguous Suzuki 75W-85 “Sooper” Gear Oil synthetic mentioned in the manual is unavailable. Hirap din daw ata mag source ang Suzuki Japan itself from its supplier. Local dealers will substitute 75W-80 GL-4 synthetic, and their replacement sched. is at 24 months, compared to the 12 month or 15,000km (initial break in) replacement of diff. fluids per the manual (then every 24months or 40k kms afterwards).

The manual’s silent if the “sooper” grasa is GL-4 or GL-5, but I believe either’s ok, since local dealerships use a GL-4 (from Indonesia) and the older JB43, which shares a similar or the same diff w/the JB74 uses 80W-90 GL-5 synthetic (manual specified).

The “Sooper” Blue Extra Long Life Coolant is also unavailable here. Local dealers will top up your reservoir with standard green during PMS. Ok lang din yun. Same active ingredients, just lesser concentration.


By the way, ampanget ng PMS policy ng Suzuki. Pinagbigyan ko lang sila during the 1st and 5th month back then, but I do all the stuff now (following the manual intervals) and keep records; or have the guy who services our trucks do it.

the transfer case has synchronizers so you can shift on the fly so it's GL-4 (gl-5 eats yellow metals). the manual recommends "75W" for transfer case, which turns out to be different from 75w80 or 75w85 etc. 75W is actually a super thin fluid, pero meron available locally like ravenol. i guess the reason why there's transfer case whine is because of the super thin fluid. i'll fill this with 75w90 GL-4 after break in

yung "super" gear oil is GL5 so for the diffs i'll use 80w90 GL-5, slightly thicker than recommended 75w85

the casa engine oil is 0w-20. basically ALL their fluids are very low viscosity to improve their fuel efficiency numbers. i'll use 10w30

as for coolant you shouldn't mix the old green coolant coz you'll "downgrade" the blue coolant. that's the reason why they don't sell blue, coz they want you to keep changing the coolant for more profit btw suzuki green and blue are totally different chemistries, kinda like honda type1 and type2. zuki green and honda type1 are conventional. blue/type2 are PHOAT

panget talaga suzuki PMS. the warranty booklet says "I" for engine oil at 1k/1mo i.e. inspection only. but the casa kept bugging me to change the oil i didn't give in of course

as for ATF, apparently JWS 3309 is basically toyota T-IV fluid

[Miles_on]

Ah yes, only GL-4 sa transfer case!
Balitaan mo kami dito how the 75W-90 works out.

Malamang, that's the only reason they don't stock blue coolant.
Ke dali lang naman mag flush ng radiator eh...

panget talaga suzuki PMS. the warranty booklet says "I" for engine oil at 1k/1mo i.e. inspection only. but the casa kept bugging me to change the oil I didn't give in of course

Mabuti sana kung engot tayo sa sasakyan eh...


Pwede namang general "inspection" lang at 1 month, which I let them do. (700kms odo pa lang)
-Changed the oil + filter myself at 1k kms, mineral 10w-30. (`Yaan mo na, rite of passage ko with my vehicles [parang binyag] sa break in)

5th month, I let them change the oil (marked ko with date beforehand yung old oil filter with paint so I can see if they replaced it)
-5w-30, Ecstar semi synth nila (ayaw pa ibigay, yung 0w20FS daw nila meron). Sabi ko MERON kayo, supplied yan ng Suzuki in drums, not bottles. (parang yun sa trucks namin we have a drum din and rotary hand pump)

8th month, had some free time, so I dropped by and inq. about PMS. In addition to oil change, policy daw nila palitan ang spark plugs after 8 months.
Mura lang naman ang 4 na plug, but I also declined na. Cost is not the issue, trying to be made a sucker though, is a different matter...

[Vodka]

Ah yes, only GL-4 sa transfer case!
Balitaan mo kami dito how the 75W-90 works out.

Malamang, that's the only reason they don't stock blue coolant.
Ke dali lang naman mag flush ng radiator eh...



Mabuti sana kung engot tayo sa sasakyan eh...

Pwede namang general "inspection" lang at 1 month, which I let them do. (700kms odo pa lang)
-Changed the oil + filter myself at 1k kms, mineral 10w-30. (`Yaan mo na, rite of passage ko with my vehicles [parang binyag] sa break in)

5th month, I let them change the oil (marked ko with date beforehand yung old oil filter with paint so I can see if they replaced it)
-5w-30, Ecstar semi synth nila (ayaw pa ibigay, yung 0w20FS daw nila meron). Sabi ko MERON kayo, supplied yan ng Suzuki in drums, not bottles. (para sa trucks namin we have a drum din and rotary hand pump)

8th month, had some free time, so I dropped by and inq. about PMS. In addition to oil change, policy daw nila palitan ang spark plugs after 8 months.
Mura lang naman ang 4 na plug, but I also declined na. Cost is not the issue, trying to be made a sucker though, is a different matter...

haha funny i did the same, at 900+ km i changed the oil by myself using the cheapest oil i got in my stash, valvoline premium conventional 10w30 worth around P800+

thanks for the tip i'll insist on the 5w30 the next time i visit the casa (just to preserve the warranty). i'm just not a fan of 0w-20

btw here's a page from the jb43 service manual. transfer case. recommended oil is 75w-90. so don't worry about using thicker fluids. take note 75w90 is TWICE the viscosity of 75w.

[Miles_on]

Bihira naman palitan yan* after the diff. & trans. break in so best to use the better fluids na.
I'd prefer the ones that come in the pointed bottles (easier to squeeze in).

*unless you wallow her in the mud or isugod sa baha often


By the way, andaming useless mods. & so called "upgrade" kits being sold sa mga user groups. Sa akin lang ha, these are the all terrain vehicle category equivalent of "ricey" mods. in cars.

I do suggest you get an under hood insulator though (mura lang).
Helps a lot for quicker warmups, and will help protect your hood paint from the engine heat.

[Vodka]

Bihira naman palitan yan* after the diff. & trans. break in so best to use the better fluids na.
I'd prefer the ones that come in the pointed bottles (easier to squeeze in).

*unless you wallow her in the mud or isugod sa baha often


By the way, andaming useless mods. & so called "upgrade" kits being sold sa mga user groups. Sa akin lang ha, these are the all terrain vehicle category equivalent of "ricey" mods. in cars.

I do suggest you get an under hood insulator though (mura lang).
Helps a lot for quicker warmups, and will help protect your hood paint from the engine heat.

i'll be using cheap fluids habang wala pang breathers toyota GL-4 and kixx GL-5. did some sand driving a few hrs ago para ma break-in yung 4wd

yeah there are plenty of silly mods on the jimny plenty of legit ones as well. here's what i'm planning:

1) tow bar w/ 2" tow ball
2) rear cargo rack that bolts onto the tow bar
3) bicycle carrier
4) winch with sand anchor
5) radius arm protection
6) xfer case bash plate

won't be installing a roof rack but i wanna get some crossbars so i could transport some long items on the roof. instead of putting stuff on a roof rack i'd rather carry stuff on the rear rack (upto 50kg)

[Miles_on]

here's a page from the jb43 service manual. transfer case. recommended oil is 75w-90. so don't worry about using thicker fluids. take note 75w90 is TWICE the viscosity of 75w.

Bro Vodka, question:

Would you know about the proper differential filler plug & drain plug gaskets for the JB74?
Wala stock on hand sa casa, so they had to order pa sa “planta”.

I said “innocently” (kuno):
“Ah, since wala naman stock on hand sa parts storage room, that means pag mag pa PMS ako right now to change my diff oil, hindi pala nila papalitan yung mga crush gaskets…”

Parts Sales Dept Clerk:
“Ah sir, nagco-coordinate naman ang Service Dept sa planta pag may naka sched. na appointment” (Yeah, right… ) (Note: the parts took 4 days to arrive) Hindi na ako humirit pa na papaano kung walk in, or those who sched only a day or 2 ahead. Hirap na mag adlib yung tao.

[Miles_on]

DIY REPORT(sorry, no pics):

4rth gen owner’s manual states to replace the diff. fluid for the 1st time at 15,000 km or 12 months, then inspect (regular use)/replace (severe use) every 30,000km or 24 months. Dealer PMS booklet service schedule on the other hand, is at 24 months.

My JB74’s almost at 24 months. I was certain the fluid’s still in great shape, but para naman substantial compliance* with the owner’s manual, I changed both front & rear diff. fluid myself today.

Main items used: (Didn’t mention the common sense ones i.e. basin, sawdust, etc.)
--3/8 ratchet wrench for the fill plugs.
--3 liters GL-5 synthetic gear oil (used a 75W-90, costs P380 per liter)
--2 fill plug washers/crush gaskets, for each diff. (Suzuki part no. 09168-20002) or, (Suzuki part no. 09168-20003-000). Either’s fine but the latter is copper. You don’t need to replace the washers if intact, but might as well do it the RIGHT way.

Total expense: P1,246 (3 liters gear oil + 2 fill plug washers/crush gaskets)
Time expended: around 45min each differential.

Open fill plug, drain, then reinstall drain plug, fill until fluid oozes out of fill plug, close fill plug. Easy peasy!

*Actually, hindi nga eh, dapat at 12 mos. If you want to do it to the letter, pero even the drained fluid, sobrang ganda pa nga at 2yrs, and no metal filings observed. Pero ayun, begrudingly followed the manual.

[Miles_on]

Notes for the record/local JB74 owners:

• Casa/stealership didn’t even have the plug/crush gaskets on stock (note: these are consumables) Had to order from them & it took 4 days. If you have this PMS item done, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just reuse your old crush gasket, but bill you for new ones dun sa item list and you’d be none the wiser. (refer to post #664 above, on March 13.)

• A different casa/stealership I spoke to will substitute Suzuki 75W-80 GL-4 bec. the manual specified “Suzuki Super Gear 75W-85” is unavailable locally. Pwede naman... but for light use lang (that means no towing, avoid off roading [nag 4x4 ka pa?], and avoid long highway use)

• Suzuki dealerships will insist on replacing your spark plugs at EIGHT MONTHS out (manual says 3 yrs under normal use). My JB74 at the time had less than 5,000kms (WTF?!?!); Mostly highway kms yun, and rarely stuck in traffic (not daily driver). They also want you to change their over rated 0W-20 oil every THREE months during the 1st year. I walked away. It's not about the cost, pero hindi ako engot.

Talagang pineperahan lang nila ang mga walang alam sa kotse.

Wala ako pake sa lagi nilang panakot na warranty. Its not a daily driver, I have no plans to sell, and I'm perfectly capable of performing all light and some of the medium PM services. And sa yung mga hindi ko kaya na jobs, palagay ko mas magaling pa gumawa yung in house namin na nagma-maintain ng mga trucks namin kesa these stealership "clowns". Need nila maka-quota siguro eh.


I keep personal logs/documentation records on all my vehicles though, and given the JB74's simplicity/robust design, I'm pretty confident I can keep this running for years.

[travajante]

Notes for the record/local JB74 owners:

• Casa/stealership didn’t even have the plug/crush gaskets on stock (note: these are consumables) Had to order from them & it took 4 days. If you have this PMS item done, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just reuse your old crush gasket, but bill you for new ones dun sa item list and you’d be none the wiser. (refer to post #664 above, on March 13.)

• A different casa/stealership I spoke to will substitute Suzuki 75W-80 GL-4 bec. the manual specified “Suzuki Super Gear 75W-85” is unavailable locally. Pwede naman... but for light use lang (that means no towing, avoid off roading [nag 4x4 ka pa?], and avoid long highway use)

• Suzuki dealerships will insist on replacing your spark plugs at EIGHT MONTHS out (manual says 3 yrs under normal use). My JB74 at the time had less than 5,000kms (WTF?!?!); Mostly highway kms yun, and rarely stuck in traffic (not daily driver). They also want you to change their over rated 0W-20 oil every THREE months during the 1st year. I walked away. It's not about the cost, pero hindi ako engot.

Talagang pineperahan lang nila ang mga walang alam sa kotse.

Wala ako pake sa lagi nilang panakot na warranty. Its not a daily driver, I have no plans to sell, and I'm perfectly capable of performing all light and some of the medium PM services. And sa yung mga hindi ko kaya na jobs, palagay ko mas magaling pa gumawa yung in house namin na nagma-maintain ng mga trucks namin kesa these stealership "clowns". Need nila maka-quota siguro eh.


I keep personal logs/documentation records on all my vehicles though, and given the JB74's simplicity/robust design, I'm pretty confident I can keep this running for years.

Great job, sir! Use Toyota Super GL5 75w-90 next time. Available locally... just a bit pricey.[emoji4]

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[babkalakal]

Notes for the record/local JB74 owners:

• Casa/stealership didn’t even have the plug/crush gaskets on stock (note: these are consumables) Had to order from them & it took 4 days. If you have this PMS item done, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just reuse your old crush gasket, but bill you for new ones dun sa item list and you’d be none the wiser. (refer to post #664 above, on March 13.)

• A different casa/stealership I spoke to will substitute Suzuki 75W-80 GL-4 bec. the manual specified “Suzuki Super Gear 75W-85” is unavailable locally. Pwede naman... but for light use lang (that means no towing, avoid off roading [nag 4x4 ka pa?], and avoid long highway use)

• Suzuki dealerships will insist on replacing your spark plugs at EIGHT MONTHS out (manual says 3 yrs under normal use). My JB74 at the time had less than 5,000kms (WTF?!?!); Mostly highway kms yun, and rarely stuck in traffic (not daily driver). They also want you to change their over rated 0W-20 oil every THREE months during the 1st year. I walked away. It's not about the cost, pero hindi ako engot.

Talagang pineperahan lang nila ang mga walang alam sa kotse.

Wala ako pake sa lagi nilang panakot na warranty. Its not a daily driver, I have no plans to sell, and I'm perfectly capable of performing all light and some of the medium PM services. And sa yung mga hindi ko kaya na jobs, palagay ko mas magaling pa gumawa yung in house namin na nagma-maintain ng mga trucks namin kesa these stealership "clowns". Need nila maka-quota siguro eh.


I keep personal logs/documentation records on all my vehicles though, and given the JB74's simplicity/robust design, I'm pretty confident I can keep this running for years.

ano justification ni casa since clearly iba ang nakalagay sa manual?

a. kailangan namin kumita
b. mas magaling kami sa engineer na hapon na
gumawa at nag design
c. iba ang environment ng pinas
d. wala lang..