Planning on getting an HID retrofit

[mousemouse]

*hypnos- HIDretrofit doesn't mention brands, or maybe I didn't ask correctly. Even for their HID retrofits I couldn't find out beforehand what ballasts would be used. For Redline, they told me its a clone of Koito bi beams. I was also told that they could source a Koito but its going to be expensive at more than 40k. On the Morimotos, i think these should be much more tested than the clones but its still risky in the long run for me. Morimoto- I don't think they are capable of conducting the same amount of testing as the big brands like hella, stanley, konti, who manufacture their own.

If I had a source of original 2.0v headlights for my 1.6 altis at a price not too far from getting HID retrofits, I would have gone this route even if the single beam LED projectors were not as defined, bluer in color, and not as powerful as the stage 3 retrofits since these would probably be more reliable.

*mouse thanks for the response. were you able to ask what kind of LED projector does gary/tots offer for LED retrofit? Last time I asked it was only koito which won't fit my headlamp thus Im waiting for other options since I would like to try LED vs HID for long term usage. You are right Koito poured their time for testing the components in their LED projector in the toyotas/nissan but I would assume Morimoto would have done the same to their mled. If only local retrofitters would accept bringing our projector.

*D3nb3r I under your argument that mled is expensive because it is new and probably because there arent a lot of competitors in the market, but my point was the price of mled is atrociously expensive for its inferior output. I know a couple of projectors that cost way less with better output. And they are also newly released.

[mousemouse]

*hypnos- by the way I saw an FB post some days back comparing the mini H1 and the MLED and the latter was much bigger, so I think you may have a problem fitting these as well. The ilens looks like it is smaller although I am not really sure.

*hypnos- HIDretrofit doesn't mention brands, or maybe I didn't ask correctly. Even for their HID retrofits I couldn't find out beforehand what ballasts would be used. For Redline, they told me its a clone of Koito bi beams. I was also told that they could source a Koito but its going to be expensive at more than 40k. On the Morimotos, i think these should be much more tested than the clones but its still risky in the long run for me. Morimoto- I don't think they are capable of conducting the same amount of testing as the big brands like hella, stanley, konti, who manufacture their own.

If I had a source of original 2.0v headlights for my 1.6 altis at a price not too far from getting HID retrofits, I would have gone this route even if the single beam LED projectors were not as defined, bluer in color, and not as powerful as the stage 3 retrofits since these would probably be more reliable.

[D3nb3r]

*D3nb3r I under your argument that mled is expensive because it is new and probably because there arent a lot of competitors in the market, but my point was the price of mled is atrociously expensive for its inferior output. I know a couple of projectors that cost way less with better output. And they are also newly released.

I know its expensive. Even the MH1 has better output. The reason I brought it up its because by far as of the moment those are the only led+projector combo IMO that can perform good in light throw, width, beam patern and less streaking. I also pointed out that since it is new there is not much of a feedback for it yet also one of my concerns about these is that it has cooling fans hence that is another thing to worry about. Will the cooling fan be able to work near the led bulbs life span? Dahil pag na unang tumirik ang fan then bubuksan mo na naman yung headlight mo.[/quote]

I just read this post and tread, both of you have a point stop arguing, I'm no technical guy like you D3nb3r or more so an end user yet like your Glenn, but Im more on facts and proof, I tried to visit both pages that was mentioned here and tried to access the facts being presented, whew both are good quality products and very impressive but the the other one presented more proof sent by the customers if it really came from customers which i think it is since most post have the names of the one posted or shared the comments, but both presented good quality services and products, it is just that the other one presented his own technical details and shots, being a factual guy and relay on research and proof my first question and challenge to both of you, be factual for you D3nb3r did you compare it apples to apples? did the other post use a retrofitted lamp or projectors as you may put it,if so what bulb was used? what if its a regular lamp used, that would be unfair and bias conclusion without you investigating and posting pictures if its not of same projector, maybe it's a regular lamp or reflector? and for you Glenn pls ask your supplier to send you proof where he got those shots given by customer just a simple question did they use a projector lamp or a regular lamp i think its called regular reflectors, what bulb was use,then D3nb3r you can compare using same bulb on a retrofitted one with same bulb, that is just fair comparison the both of you, since D3nb3r wants to use a retrofitted one, then D3nbr3 use the same bulb bulb type as the one you captured that is my challenge since you campared it to the latter, another thing i think the basis for brightness will be in term of Lumens/Lux as i researched it right, brightness is never about sharpness its about Lumens/Lux, what if both hid and led have same bulb position and Lumens both will have the same pattern don't you think? I guess different bulb has different pattern position and applications.

I'm smiling when I see someone make an account just to reply a thread

FIY I'm just spreading the proper use of headlight dahil marami pa rin mga motorista sa daan ngayun na mapapamura ka sa silaw ng mga headlight nila dahil either walang mga alam or just an ass and walang pake sa ibang motorista.
You said you are about facts. Try to visit this one too Informative Articles - HiDplanet : The Official Automotive Lighting Forum
When I compare that led vs hid pics it is apples to apples. You see the pics that they post is how their led product is better than a HID. so I post a pics with their comparison plus a properly retrofitted HID. If you look closely on their comparison they did not use a proper hid+projector combo. So how is that fair? Also sa comparison nila may road shot ang led tapos ang hid wala? When you make a wall shot it and claim na mas malakas ang product mo kesa sa iba put a lux meter and indicate the distance.
The guy said that the led was better and mas malakas kaysa magpa retrofit ka so I ask him to prove it. Also I said when you claim na mas malakas ang product mo kaysa sa isang product you have to be able to back it up. Daming factors lalo na sa hid retrofitting. Bulb, lens, projector, shield, ballast are just some of them. And how can you say that your product is better or malakas when you dont even have a proper cut-off and step? Also I question the process of swapping the bulb just because it fits? Hence the optics theory.

I never said brightness is about sharpness. Also Lux, lumens and candela are different from each other.

I see it all over the road today, cars and trucks with lights that could be seen from space on a clear night. These days it seems like everyone has a set of super bright headlights,both on either Led or best quality Retrofit, both have disadvantages and advantages, but is brighter or good cutoff always better?

proper cut-off is always better. you might have a very powerful lighting system but without control that is useless. Well unless you live alone in a remote area na ikaw lang yung tao at wala kang ma perwisyo then ok lang yan.

I say no. When auto lighting claims to be the brightest or better cutoff on the market, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are getting a better product. This is just like audio manufacturer claims of high wattage, without mention of the RMS rating, or usable power. There is another important factor to consider other than just lumen output or bulb temperature its called candella or intensity of light. Again like i said both are good when in fact im using Hid now for four years, driving just 1 hour a night since my work is like just a stone throw away from my house, traffic makes it longer. i may have to try Led this time to see the difference.

you missed my point. The whole purpose of my arguement is about proper use of headlight, again "proper" mapa HID, Led or halogen man. Meaning hindi ka nakaka perwisyo sa iba kahit malakas man ang ilaw mo.

This is what i got from the internet this is old and Im sure both platforms have evolve.

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Xenon headlights
Xenon lights, also known as high-intensity discharge (HID) lights, produce a brighter light than halogen bulbs and with far less heat. The blue-white light emitted by xenon bulbs is so bright, it has been known to "blind" other drivers.

These headlights require a large amount of power at the outset to produce their first burst of light, but once fully operational, they require much less energy to maintain constant brightness.

Xenon bulbs have a long lifespan and emit little heat, but they cost more than halogen bulbs.

LED headlights

LEDs are the most recent innovation in headlight technology. Instead of gas and filaments, LEDs rely on small diodes that produce light when electric current excites their electrons. They need an low amount of power to work but do produce a significant amount of heat on the diode. This requires heat control systems at the bottom of the headlight and near other car components. If this system fails, not just the light, but other electronics could be affected.

The small size of LEDs means they can be formed into almost any shape, and their light is naturally directional rather than diffuse, making them an excellent choice for headlights.

If you want more detailed info visit this forum Forums - HiDplanet : The Official Automotive Lighting Forum it is more detailed than wiki and is based on Real controlled test and scientific explanations about real and myth or real world output shot and comaparison.

Technology changes so its really upto the endusers choice which is best for them in extreme condition specially at night, whatever works for them practical and value for money.



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No. What ever works for a person or his budget does not give you an excuse to blind others on the road. simple as that.

[D3nb3r]

D3nb3r you can compare using same bulb on a retrofitted one with same bulb, that is just fair comparison the both of you, since D3nb3r wants to use a retrofitted one, then D3nbr3 use the same bulb bulb type as the one you captured that is my challenge since you campared it to the latter.

I forgot to emphasize this one. This test will not prove anything and will only contradict to what i've been saying all along. You cant just use one led bulb from a projector and transfer it into a projector that is designed for an HID. The optics will not be the same. Even a very very small mis-alignment sa bulb seat ang effect nyan will be magnified when the light passes the lens. another problem pano ma secure yung bulb from a led projector duns a bulb seat na design for HID projector like for example the d2s. Kahit na yung butas pa lang di na siguro ma pasok ang led bulbs at kung mapasok man gaano kalayo/lapit ang led bulb sa cut-off shield or sa reflector? Example is the Mled, bi-led of morimoto or the bi-leds made by profile. Do you see them swaping leds and hid on the same projectors? kahit yung bi-led na gawa ng profile na almost similar to MH1 pero sa physical and mounting dimensions lang similar at magka iba parin ang bulb seat. Kung pwede pala yan eh di bibili na lang ako ng pina ka malakas na led tapos salpak ko sa mga projectors like rx350, acura TL or s2000. And if that suggestion of yours is correct then TRS, lightwerkz or blackflame cutoms, redline, garry quizon etc., should offer that process on their retrofit.
Even lens swapping ay hindi basta basta though marami gumagawa nito. sometimes need mo spacers to tune the lens. One example is hindi mo pwede gamitin ang STi-R lens sa projector na design for sa ZKW-R or vise versa kahit same 3" pa sila. Pwede ka lang gumamit ng replacement lens kung pareho ang depth ng old at replacement lens mo.

Just because you can doesnt mean you should.

[hypnos]

I know its expensive. Even the MH1 has better output. The reason I brought it up its because by far as of the moment those are the only led+projector combo IMO that can perform good in light throw, width, beam patern and less streaking.

Not really sir. Look up optima bi-led or i.lens. Way cheaper options that have better output.

*mouse Indeed! not having to change ballast/bulbs are sweet. Plus instant on feature so you can flash those with misaligned glaring headlights.

[D3nb3r]

Not really sir. Look up optima bi-led or i.lens. Way cheaper options that have better output.

yeah you're right. optima is a contender on led projectors lalo na if basehan ang price. Also when I said na MH1 has better output. I might have over reacted I should have said its subjective. What the bi-leds might be lacking in width they sure make up for the hot spots against MH1.

[3GEMS]

Pampalamig muna. Already planning to have mine retrofitted pero bumigay na low beam ko kagabi and today coding ako, babyahe pa naman sana ako bukas madaling araw sa probinsiya. Halogen (readily available sa banawe) or tiis para maka retrofit. Bwe**t!

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[D3nb3r]

Pampalamig muna. Already planning to have mine retrofitted pero bumigay na low beam ko kagabi and today coding ako, babyahe pa naman sana ako bukas madaling araw sa probinsiya. Halogen (readily available sa banawe) or tiis para maka retrofit. Bwe**t!

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Wag masyado mag tipid sir lalo na if safety mo naka taya. Better buy muna a replacment halogen bulb for your low beam. Since sabi mo babyahe ka ng malayo. The retrofit can wait.

[mousemouse]

Just to chime in, its not about LED vs HID vs Halogen technology but getting better but safe and responsible head lights. A lot of engineering went into designing the headlight assemblies so personally, I find it hard to trust LED bulb swaps in halogen reflector headlights. Look at the current civic and top spec altis, these use specific optics designed for the LED headlight assembly. If all it took was a simple LED bulb swap I think we would see most brands use these rather than spend the time and money to develop their own LED assemblies.

I forgot to emphasize this one. This test will not prove anything and will only contradict to what i've been saying all along. You cant just use one led bulb from a projector and transfer it into a projector that is designed for an HID. The optics will not be the same. Even a very very small mis-alignment sa bulb seat ang effect nyan will be magnified when the light passes the lens. another problem pano ma secure yung bulb from a led projector duns a bulb seat na design for HID projector like for example the d2s. Kahit na yung butas pa lang di na siguro ma pasok ang led bulbs at kung mapasok man gaano kalayo/lapit ang led bulb sa cut-off shield or sa reflector? Example is the Mled, bi-led of morimoto or the bi-leds made by profile. Do you see them swaping leds and hid on the same projectors? kahit yung bi-led na gawa ng profile na almost similar to MH1 pero sa physical and mounting dimensions lang similar at magka iba parin ang bulb seat. Kung pwede pala yan eh di bibili na lang ako ng pina ka malakas na led tapos salpak ko sa mga projectors like rx350, acura TL or s2000. And if that suggestion of yours is correct then TRS, lightwerkz or blackflame cutoms, redline, garry quizon etc., should offer that process on their retrofit.
Even lens swapping ay hindi basta basta though marami gumagawa nito. sometimes need mo spacers to tune the lens. One example is hindi mo pwede gamitin ang STi-R lens sa projector na design for sa ZKW-R or vise versa kahit same 3" pa sila. Pwede ka lang gumamit ng replacement lens kung pareho ang depth ng old at replacement lens mo.

Just because you can doesnt mean you should.

[3GEMS]

Wag masyado mag tipid sir lalo na if safety mo naka taya. Better buy muna a replacment halogen bulb for your low beam. Since sabi mo babyahe ka ng malayo. The retrofit can wait.

Yes, cancel muna byahe til magawa yung headlight boss.

Another question mga bro.
On gen 2 montero stage 2 retrofit lahat ba talaga may lalabas excess part sa likod ng headlight 2-3 inches? Maliit daw kasi space headlight ng gen 2

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