Tsikot Vice Presidential Survey

[Altis6453]

Ito ang diko maindihan sa ating mga pinoy. Ang tanong ko lang, napatawad na ba natin ang mga kano? Hapones? Kastila? They killed, tortured, raped more filipinos in our entire history. Binenta pa nga tayo eh. Anung nagawa ng mga marcos ang di ginawa ng mga mananakop? I am asking you to be open minded. If our country was able to make peace with those countries, why cant we make peace with our own brothers? Diko sinasabing walang kasalanan ang mga marcos. Pero its time naman na siguro to heal the country.

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Healing comes with justice. If BBM can't even acknowledge his father's sins while in office, he doesn't deserve to stay in public office.

In fact, if there were any true justice in this world, Imelda, Bongbong and his ilk would either be in jail or rotting 6 feet under.

[Monseratto]

[cast_no_shadow]

Si Chiz Talo? Hindi kaya.




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[anonemus]

Sandro Marcos will give it a shot at around 2046 or 2052. I think we should have a martial law museum, the same way there is a holocaust museum.

I agree 👍

[baludoy]

to those interested:

From Team Leni: The Leni Robredo Campaign Team invites everyone to a multi-sectoral thanksgiving Mass for a successful and peaceful elections and the call to unite and move forward tomorrow, Sunday (May 15), 3 pm at the Church of the Gesu, Ateneo de Manila University. Aika Robredo will lead the praying of rosary at 2:45 pm.

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taken from my high school alum viber group thingy

[greenbeast]

Healing comes with justice. If BBM can't even acknowledge his father's sins while in office, he doesn't deserve to stay in public office.

In fact, if there were any true justice in this world, Imelda, Bongbong and his ilk would either be in jail or rotting 6 feet under.

Ok. Again ang may tunay na sala is the father. Now let me ask you this... Ninoy is a HERO (or at least yun yung lumalabas sa history), is that how we should look at his children? Almost everyone condemns MARCOS because of the former president. May nagcomment pa nga na "putting them into power is a different thing". Tsong papasok lang po ang sinasabing common sense if 100 percent kang sigurado na uulitin ni BBM ang nagawa ng ama niya. So common sense nga lang na wag na siya iluklok. Please review history based on the inputs of both sides. Martial Law is declared all over the Philippines. Bakit karamihan ng victims eh taga Maynila halos? How about sa ibang kapuluan?

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[jut703]

Ok. Again ang may tunay na sala is the father. Now let me ask you this... Ninoy is a HERO (or at least yun yung lumalabas sa history), is that how we should look at his children? Almost everyone condemns MARCOS because of the former president. May nagcomment pa nga na "putting them into power is a different thing". Tsong papasok lang po ang sinasabing common sense if 100 percent kang sigurado na uulitin ni BBM ang nagawa ng ama niya. So common sense nga lang na wag na siya iluklok. Please review history based on the inputs of both sides. Martial Law is declared all over the Philippines. Bakit karamihan ng victims eh taga Maynila halos? How about sa ibang kapuluan?

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The Marcos regime was responsible for thousands of human rights abuses, cronyism, corruption, and getting the country so deeply in debt (that we have to pay 'til 2025). You can argue that it was FM Sr. that bears the greatest responsibility for all this, but BBM was not completely scot free. He was already holding government positions at the time of Martial Law (directly benefiting from the cronyism and corruption), and is infamous for wanting to blow up the masses revolting on EDSA.

So yes, the sins of the father are not the sins of the son. But the son has sins of his own as well.

On top of his participation during the martial law regime, one of the biggest criticisms thrown at BBM is that he refuses to acknowledge the wrong that his family has done in the past. He acts as if the Marcos era was the golden age of the Philippines, and acts as if his family and their cronies never abused, stole from, and killed other Filipinos. He has even lobbied against the government's recovery of their family's ill-gotten wealth.

It's also terribly insulting that their ill-gotten wealth stolen from millions of Filipinos has been used to bankroll his vice-presidential bid. A Marcos in the country's second highest government position means that everything that our countrymen fought for 30 years ago will be put to naught. As early as now, he is promoting historical revisionism and tries to downplay (or even completely eliminate) his family's complicity in the martial law abuses. As an ultimate insult, a Marcos as VP in 2016 paves the way for a Marcos as President in 2022.

So no, BBM does not have to commit crimes of the same magnitude as what his father committed. Just looking at his past and current actions is enough for many of us to consider him unfit for government.

Put succinctly in an analogy:

[ClaNker]

Ok. Again ang may tunay na sala is the father. Now let me ask you this... Ninoy is a HERO (or at least yun yung lumalabas sa history), is that how we should look at his children? Almost everyone condemns MARCOS because of the former president. May nagcomment pa nga na "putting them into power is a different thing". Tsong papasok lang po ang sinasabing common sense if 100 percent kang sigurado na uulitin ni BBM ang nagawa ng ama niya. So common sense nga lang na wag na siya iluklok. Please review history based on the inputs of both sides. Martial Law is declared all over the Philippines. Bakit karamihan ng victims eh taga Maynila halos? How about sa ibang kapuluan?

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Tigil-tigilan kasi ang pag babasa ng history tungkol sa Martial Law sa facebook.

[greenbeast]

Thanks jut703. My only point here is about healing the country. If those issues happened 30 or more years ago, let our generation today move forward towards a better country. Even religious groups does not accept apologies nowadays. People still wants to get even (the so-called JUSTICE). Yung mga pro MARCOS naman sisiraan ang mga AQUINO-COJUANGCO. It will be a never ending hatred that will continue for the next generation and the generations after them. Each administration have their own highs and lows. But during elementary, marcos is only known as a dictator. I encourage everyone na magsaliksik. What the reason behind the martial law declaration? Why ninoy was killed and who did it? How did the marcos acquire such huge amount of wealth? How the martial law victims are being chosen, was it random, show of power? Before martial law was declared, why is the opposition already making their moves against marcos administration? Please note, nagsasaliksik po ako ngayon. Di po ito sinabi lang sakin ng kakilala, kamaganak, nabasa o narinig sa kung saan. Salamat po

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[Juan Martinez]

Martial Law is declared all over the Philippines. Bakit karamihan ng victims eh taga Maynila halos? How about sa ibang kapuluan?

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i have no tolerance for stupidity. before you open your mouth, you think--

visayas

In Panay, martial law victims vow to hound Bongbong Marcos
By Nestor P. Burgos Jr. and Joey Gabieta
Inquirer Visayas
March 12, 2016 at 1:47 am
ILOILO CITY—Sen. Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr., who is running for Vice President, should not be surprised if he sees a group of elderly holding protest actions whenever he is on Panay Island.

They are survivors of abuses committed during martial law in Capiz, Antique, Iloilo and Aklan, who are now in their 60s and 70s and have vowed to hound the campaign sorties of the only son of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos with protests.

“His candidacy has revived bitter memories of martial law. We are afraid of and we will fight against his family’s return to Malacañang,” said retired University of the Philippines Visayas (UPV) professor Rose Asong.

Asong, 70, is among 20 former political detainees who led the launching in Panay of the Campaign Against the Return of the Marcoses to Malacañang (Carmma) at the UPV campus here on Thursday.

The launching was joined by representatives from church groups, women’s organizations and youth leaders.

Asong said martial law survivors would hold pickets and rallies in venues that Marcos would use for his campaign.

Asong was a teacher when she was arrested on Sept. 22, 1973, and detained for 16 months in police and military camps first in Iloilo and later in Cebu.

Fortunato Pelaez was arrested in 1974 as a member of the activist youth group Kabataang Makabayan.

He was detained for one year and three months in Camp Crame in Quezon City and in Camp Delgado in Iloilo City, the regional police headquarters, where he suffered torture, including electrocution of his genitals.

“The painful memories remain because the Marcos family, including Bongbong, has not atoned for their sins,” said Pelaez, secretary general of Samahan ng mga Ex-Detainees Laban sa Detensyon at Aresto (Selda) in Panay.

Marie Hilao-Enriquez, chair of Selda and of the human rights group Karapatan, said the Iloilo launching was the third after those held in Manila and General Santos City.

She said more martial law survivors would be organizing Carmma in other provinces.

“We are all worried that if Bongbong is elected, that will the start of the return to our dark past,” she told reporters on the sidelines of the launching.

She said the senator’s candidacy for the second highest position in the country should be opposed and condemned not only by former political detainees.

“(The Marcos family) has not returned their ill-gotten wealth,” she said.

In Tacloban City earlier, the chair of the Commission on Human Rights (CHR) said those who have been deluded into believing that martial law is a glorious past for the country should not look far for evidence that one-man rule by Marcos was a horror.

Chito Gascon, CHR chair, said the validation of at least 75,000 claims for compensation for abuses during martial law is enough evidence of the horrors of martial law.

Gascon said Marcos Jr. should look at these claims. “These are evidence of abuses,” he said.

One of the claimants in Eastern Visayas is Jose Cala, a native of Leyte who was arrested at the provincial jail in Cebu for joining anti-Marcos rallies in the 1980s.

He spent a year at the Cebu Provincial Detention and Rehabilitation Center, or from May 1980 until days before the visit of Pope John Paul II to the country in 1981.

“Putting a Marcos to the second highest position of the land is a great insult to the victims of the dark era of martial law,” said Cala, who is now 54.

“It will be a great injustice to those who died, tortured and incarcerated for fighting the Marcos dictatorship,” said Cala.

Marcos Jr. has repeatedly said he sees no need to apologize for his father’s regime since some of the country’s golden days came under the late strongman.

The senator’s spokesperson also called on detractors of the Marcos family to move on from the past and stop blaming the strongman’s son for the ills that befell the country.

According to the CHR, 4,040 martial law victims were documented in Eastern Visayas.

mindanao

Around 170 victims of human rights abuses from Lanao del Norte, Bukidnon, Misamis Oriental, Camiguin, and Misamis Occidental received P50,000 each


CAGAYAN DE ORO CITY, Philippines – On June 9, 1983, Ofelia Palencia and her 4 children were home in Malaybalay City in Bukdinon when an encounter between the New People’s Army and government troops ensued outside their house.

Later that afternoon, Ofelia, a widower, was arrested by the military and brought to an unknown camp. The following day, the military brought her back home but took his eldest son Rudy, then 19 years old. The family has not seen Rudy since.

On Friday, February 7 – exactly 31 years after the incident – the now wheelchair-bound Ofelia made her way to Cagayan de Oro to claim compensation for her son’s disappearance. Frail and already weak, she lined up and presented documents to prove her identity and that of her son's.

At least 170 other victims of human rights violations during Martial Law showed up at the Barangay Nazareth gymnasium to get their compensation.

The payment is part of the provision of Republic Act 10368, which provides for reparation and recognition of victims of human rights violations during the Marcos regime.

According to lawyer Nestor Montemor, who assisted and coordinated the distribution of the compensation, 175 martial law victims from Lanao del Norte, Bukidnon, Misamis Oriental, Camiguin, and Misamis Occidental were able to received their compensation first in February 2011 and then on Feb. 7, 2014.

Each victim received P43,200 pesos on February 2011 and another P50,000 on Friday. Montemor said the compensation were received either by the sons, daughters, or acknowledged representatives of the victims.

He said there were 9,539 victims who filed a class suits against Ferdinand Marcos in Hawaii.

The compensation is not enough to pay for the harrowing experience they went through during Martial Law, Montemor said. “As you can see, most of the victims come from the most vulnerable sector of our society, the poor.”

They still feel the terror

Hugo Orcullo, a former media practitioner, came assisted by his wife. He was was arrested and imprisoned twice during Martial Law.

Anita Lequin’s husband Dionesio was a barangay official in the hinterland town of Magsaysay in Lanao del Norte in 1985 when the military suspected that he was a member of the Masa of the New People’s Army. Dionesio was executed by members of the Civilian Home Defense Force (CHDF) in front of their house and in the presence of his family.

Anita shared that they feel the terror up to this day, and that they leave it up to God to bring justice to her husband. “We have forgiven them and only God can judge them,” Anita said of her husband's killers.

VICTIMS OF ABUSE. Out of the more than 9,000 human rights victims, at least 170 are from Northern Mindanao. Photo by Bobby Lagsa/Rappler

Orcullo, who lost his voice to a throat surgery, said some complainants in the class suits, now really old, are dying. But the pursuit of justice continues, he said.

Writing on a board that he carries around, Orcullo, chair of the local Samahan ng mga Ex-Detainess Laban sa Detensyon at Aresto or Selda, said Martial law – the darkest time in the country's history – should not happen again.

For Pastor Tenorio, another media practitioner from Iligan City, the cash compensation is part of the closure, “but it is the fight and pursuit of principle against a dictator who did us injustice” that is more important. He was arrested twice and imprisoned for two years without charges.

American lawyer Robert Swift, in his letter to the victims of Martial Law, said that should there be another collection of funds from the Marcoses, another round of distribution will happen.

As for Ofelia Palencia, the compensation is bittersweet. The closure, she said, would come only if and when the body of her son Rudy would be located, and they can move on with their lives. – Rappler.com