Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[car_fan]

Nope sir. I am not targeting you or your comments. I am just backing up your post.

Easy lang.

Thanks for clarifying.

[vinj]

Personally, it's over-reaching to say there are no defects with the Montero. Montero owners here and in the clubs know there are defects. Hell, there's a laundry list of them easily searchable here on tsikot. But none of them will lead to SUA. As a former editor of mine, who owns an MS, notes: Some of them will actually cause the Montero to not move at all.

At least with your Crosswind, you have no fear of SUA. In fact, you have no fear of any semblance of acceleration at all.

[dr. d]

Question for AT drivers who had more experience with MT.

From a stand still, pwede mo ba mapagkamalan na clutch yun brake pedal? Like for example, depress mo yun brake thinking na clutch sya then shifting to D o R then apak accelerator padiin ng pdiin kasi ayaw umandar dahil naka brake ka. Then releasing the brake slowly thinking na clutch yun. Tapos bigla mag surge yun car due to the release of stored potential energy. Pwede ba yun?

puede kung puede.
but the pedal ergonomics are "wrong", or rather, not easy to mistake one for the other.
with AT, the brake pedal is wide, to favor the left foot.

so how can the right foot mistake the gas for the brake? well, if their heights are similar, that would make it easier.. i also suspect the seating position and that middle tambol of a console, also have something to contribute.. i am confident ergonomics experts can figure it out.. i'm wondering when such a person will be interviewed..

[jut703]

At least with your Crosswind, you have no fear of SUA. In fact, you have no fear of any semblance of acceleration at all.

If I had a Crosswind, I'd be happy if it suddenly accelerates. Because it doesn't do that no matter how hard you step on the accelerator. [emoji23]


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[vvti2.0]

meron nga pero inutil naman ang DOST pati DTI, ang TESDA naman pagka alam ko wala silang hi-tech na machine to diagnose the computer box of modern cars. huh PAGASA? sila ba yung weather forecaster

Diagnose of computer box?

The truth is yung sinasabi na diagnosis of computer box ay reading lang naman ng error codes or kung ano ang signal na binabato ng sensors/actuators and ano ang commands na tinapon ng box mo.

Ang laman ng computer box aside from the algorithm is a MAP. Yan ang mga table kung ano ang gagawin ng microcontroller based sa inputs ng mga sensors.

Malayo na sa software side ng microcontroller ang issue nyan, kasi kung sa software or firmware yan, lahat ng Montero nag alburuto na.

Ang pinakamahirap na i-diagnose na problem sa electronics ay yung mga intermittent issue, and as I see it, SUA is one of those, hindi mo pwedeng sabihin kaagad na sa kadahilanang di lang mereplicate ulit eh wala ng issue, hindi yan ganyan.

Semiconductors are complex materials, na pwede syang mag-act weird due to some parameters na nag-act lang nung time na yun. Tandaan natin, may microcontroller or computer box ang montero, kung ano man ang decision ng box, dependent yan sa tapon ng sensors, kung isang sensor mo ay nagfluctuate ang output sa kadahilanang di maipaliwanag, at yung output ng sensor na yun ay critical para sa injection ng fuel, opening ng butterfly, etc.. pwedeng magwild sasakyan mo or mag stall.

[niky]

At least with your Crosswind, you have no fear of SUA. In fact, you have no fear of any semblance of acceleration at all.

Gelzon dela Cruz (look up Real World Drive) has some interesting theories on how to pump the gas pedal to spoof a Crosswind's torque converter into locking up for faster acceleration.

Me, I've found that dropping it off a cliff works.

Semiconductors are complex materials, na pwede syang mag-act weird due to some parameters na nag-act lang nung time na yun. Tandaan natin, may microcontroller or computer box ang montero, kung ano man ang decision ng box, dependent yan sa tapon ng sensors, kung isang sensor mo ay nagfluctuate ang output sa kadahilanang di maipaliwanag, at yung output ng sensor na yun ay critical para sa injection ng fuel, opening ng butterfly, etc.. pwedeng magwild sasakyan mo or mag stall.

As I've said, thanks to sensor redundancy, any erratic readings cause a mismatch of sensor outputs (and sensors are tuned to different voltages so that a short between them will not cause identical erratic readings), leading to (in Mike Black's testimony) the vehicle entering limp mode.

[HUMABOL KA]

open naman pala mitsubishi sa independent third party cla pa nga nag suggest na kahit galing pa sa ibang bansa ok sa kanila, un cguro ang the best decision kumuha cla ng foreign investigator para wala na ung issue ng "bias" at mas hi-tech pa cguro ung equipment na gagamitin nila para sa investigation.

[vvti2.0]

Gelzon dela Cruz (look up Real World Drive) has some interesting theories on how to pump the gas pedal to spoof a Crosswind's torque converter into locking up for faster acceleration.

Me, I've found that dropping it off a cliff works.



As I've said, thanks to sensor redundancy, any erratic readings cause a mismatch of sensor outputs (and sensors are tuned to different voltages so that a short between them will not cause identical erratic readings), leading to (in Mike Black's testimony) the vehicle entering limp mode.

Sir, ang alam ko lang na may sensor at line redundancy ay mga aerospace equipments at mga lumlipad, pwede ba sir pakilinaw sa akin kung san may sensor redundancy yung mga common or regular vehicles (not the ones used in racing or very high end cars). Sensors are tuned to different voltages? Ano ibgi sabihin mo sir? Sir, ang sensors ng sasakyan ay most of the time resistance based, may constant voltage injection yan at naka voltage divider sa fixed resistance, at ang nagbabasa nyan ay analog to digital converter, any abnormal fluctuation sa resistance na yan ay most of the time amplified sa input ng analog to digital converter.

And wala rin ako alam na sasakyan na yung mga sensor ay at least nakakabit man lang sa mga instrumentation amplifiers para at least maalis ang common mode noise bago pumasok sa microcontroller.

Sorry for being to technical here. Even the algorithm of vehicles does not practice redundant readings or averaging readings, kasi kung gagawin nya yan, babagal ang reaction ng sasakyan mo, umapak ka na, nagkukwenta pa ang computer box mo bago sya magreact, and that is the reason bakit naka MAP na lahat ng itatapon rin na data ng sasakyan mo, para di na sya magkwenta.

Parang cartesian coordinate lang yan, yung mga inputs mo ay nasa X,Y,Z axis, at kung san mag meet yung point na yun, yung ang output nya.

[valskie01]

Dumadami complainant ng montero. Araw araw yata nag hahanap ang abs cbn ng complainant nationwide.

[kamote25]

DTI probes alleged defect of Mitsubishi Monteros - CNN Philippines