MAC vs PC vs Linux

[Jun aka Pekto]

people who say that dont really give linux a chance. especially these days na malaki na improvement ng linux sa desktop. i admit medyo malabo pa ng konti given the lack of standards, or should i say people following their own standards, pero once you look at it from a different frame of mind pwede na sya, at least for the IT community.

If Linux can be unified into a single set of standards instead of being so fragmented, then Linux on the desktop may get much easier.

[mikmik316]

I guess with all the talk about Windows good in gaming blah blah... there are also Windows zealots here...

[roninblade]

at least walang ganitong tao dito

from: Linux will not displace Windows
It wont happen
I dont see how this will happen at all.

Vista is far more powerful than windows XP, and runs twice as fast. It is also much harder to pirate, and this point more than anything else has the Linux crowd in a panic.

It wont be long until Windows XP is no longer supported, and when that happens, what is Linux going to do ?

Linux will have to find a way to work under Vista from here on, since it wont be able to rely on XP being readily available anymore.

Linux may seem like a good alternative to Office, but all that is happening in linux is that the windows interface is cleverly hidden away. It still needs the drivers and software services in order to run, and in most cases - that happens WITHOUT a valid windows licence.

This is just plain piracy.

Vista will finally put an end to this blatant abuse of intellectual property, and linux should decline, taking the pirates with it.

Anyone that supports the continuation of Windows XP in place of Vista surely has a hidden agenda .. and you will surely be caught out.

If Linux can be unified into a single set of standards instead of being so fragmented, then Linux on the desktop may get much easier.

don't know if you've read this na pero here's an interesting rant-like blog about linux standards

http://theosib.livejournal.com/1742.html

Conclusion
One of the things I'm implying here is that the Linux community should form standards committees. I've been indirectly involved in standards committees, such as the VESA DPVL committee, and it can be a painful, glacial process. But this pain is necessary if we're to come together and develop elegant systems that work well in the enterprise and on the desktop. Indeed, there are already many Free Software community organizations that develop standards. DRI is one such example, providing a rendering infrastructure that fits into Linux, *BSD, and Solaris. Similarly, my friends with the Open Hardware Foundation are working hard to bring together hardware vendors and projects to develop hardware standards for the good of Free Software. It's been pointed out that Linux isn't any more of a bazaar than Microsoft is a cathedral, so let's not be afraid to develop hierarchy, particularly ones that make it easier for us to nail down what would otherwise be arbitrary choices anyhow. Linux distros and community projects can add representatives to committees that decide things that would constitute sweeping changes to the way we do things. Without a democratic body to do this, it may be impossible for us to identify, decide, and make the changes that we really need to make to keep up.

[Jun aka Pekto]

at least walang ganitong tao dito

The person who wrote that (article) sounds like a MS shill to me.

don't know if you've read this na pero here's an interesting rant-like blog about linux standards

http://theosib.livejournal.com/1742.html

One of my more cliched remarks....."My thoughts exactly"

A standards committee is exactly what's needed. That'll help streamline things a lot, never mind what the zealots say.

[CoDer]

mac is not really for multimedia only. i'm a pure coder din. pero depende pa din what type of programming you do, kung nasa .net ka, no choice but to go with windows. pero kung multiplatform yung language/s na ginagamit mo mas maganda kasi mas madami options.

Yep totally agree with you on this.

people who say that dont really give linux a chance. especially these days na malaki na improvement ng linux sa desktop. i admit medyo malabo pa ng konti given the lack of standards, or should i say people following their own standards, pero once you look at it from a different frame of mind pwede na sya, at least for the IT community.

Linux desktop is livable but is no match when compared to MAC OS and Windows. Linux group better set that standard fast if they want to compete in the desktop market. But its Linux for me when it come to servers, although I also setup and configure Windows server because my clients use them.

And as for MAC, my clients only use it for their digital image editing business and their macBook for fashion sense.

My last two words is a joke so don't burn me on that.

[///MPower]

Yes, but Macs aren't cheap either. I've never seen a Php15k cheapass desktop or a 40k laptop from Apple. (all right, 25k and 50k for the legit stuff ) The PC market isn't just the Dell mid-end stuff.

Granted, they don't have an ultra-economy product line, that's not an issue. If you are looking for a super low end computer, you wouldn't be looking at any of Apple's competitors either. For the equipment (perhaps even software) you get with a Mac, a Mac is no more expensive than a PC.

Uhhh, I don't get it. And isn't that Media Access Control?

You're right. My bad.

Windows costs $$$$. A Mac system costs $$$$. (Piracy stuff aside, obviously!)

What's your point? Is someone somewhere giving away PC's and copies of Windows for the PC's and even GAMES, for that matter, away for free? Everything costs money. Thanks for pointing that out.

If you can live with just one, why do you have to have the other!

That doesn't even make sense. My point is that you can have both Windows and OS X, not that you must. Maybe you're happy just using one system; you need to consider some would like to not have to deal with viruses and spyware and crashing systems for the most part, and once in a while play a computer game. Dual booting means you don't have to choose between them.

Windows. From Windows 2000. Decent. But not amazing.
iPod. All versions. Decent. But not amazing.

Now you're getting it. Except replace "Windows 2000. Decent" with "Windows NT, fundamentally flawed design that no amount of patching will ever fix, no matter how many times they rebrand it as 2000 or XP." I could go on about how security on every version of Windows is a joke, but I'll save you the boring tech rant.

[Alpha_One]

What's your point? Is someone somewhere giving away PC's and copies of Windows for the PC's and even GAMES, for that matter, away for free? Everything costs money. Thanks for pointing that out.


That doesn't even make sense. My point is that you can have both Windows and OS X, not that you must. Maybe you're happy just using one system; you need to consider some would like to not have to deal with viruses and spyware and crashing systems for the most part, and once in a while play a computer game. Dual booting means you don't have to choose between them.

I did indeed point out that stuff costs money. You posted as if buying a Mac and a copy of Windows and setting up dual-boot was totally trivial, and I mistook your post for saying that dual-boot was a must (as opposed to an option). My bad.

[oldblue]

I also thought of that buying a mac intel duo and dual boot. why bother?

masisira lang ulo ko handling/operating two operating systems.

imagine a life where you have a dual boot Mac, a Symbian phone, a Pocket PC or Palm-based PDA. there are only 24 hours in a day: 8 of which you spend sleeping, 1 hour getting up, taking a bath, preparing for work. 2 hours cumulative for the 3 meals. and another 2 more for commuting/driving/traveling.

11 hours na lang. bosses and companies and customers dont care how much you know whether you are a Guru of OS/X, Windows, Linux, Unix, Mainframe, Symbian and some proprietary OS combined. they care more if you can finish the task at the shortest possible time.

just find a computer system that can help you do this. after all a computer is just a tool.

[metatron]

I also thought of that buying a mac intel duo and dual boot. why bother?

masisira lang ulo ko handling/operating two operating systems.

imagine a life where you have a dual boot Mac, a Symbian phone, a Pocket PC or Palm-based PDA. there are only 24 hours in a day: 8 of which you spend sleeping, 1 hour getting up, taking a bath, preparing for work. 2 hours cumulative for the 3 meals. and another 2 more for commuting/driving/traveling.

11 hours na lang. bosses and companies and customers dont care how much you know whether you are a Guru of OS/X, Windows, Linux, Unix, Mainframe, Symbian and some proprietary OS combined. they care more if you can finish the task at the shortest possible time.

just find a computer system that can help you do this. after all a computer is just a tool.

dual booting isn't that complicated. with regards to laptops, i use a macbook for everything except for mission-critical windows exclusive programs (medical stat analysis software in my case). just have to remember the crippled xp is only an add-on feature and not a full fledged OS for the hardware.

can't imagine myself relying solely on OSX though (and having a mac desktop for that matter). the relative obscurity of the mac that contributed to its virtual malware immunity is also the reason why i need MS OS - i don't have everything i need (software and hardware-wise) in macs.

why i didn't opt for a windows based lappy? presentation-wise, apple's keynote just manages to wow the audiences better.

[///MPower]

You can even use virtualization software like Parallels to run Windows apps right in OS X without restarting into XP.

Windows' large user base is NOT the reason it is prone to viruses and other malware. Unix servers make up the majority of those on the internet. However, it is Windows based servers that are most often attacked successfully. Windows is crappy software with a crappy security model.

And, yes, Keynote looks so good, I almost wonder if my presentations are so well-taken simply because of the App itself.