Hi Guys,
Just want to thank the HM transport for providing the first cng bus in for route.
I think if CNG will be successful, oil companies will have a good competitor, and might lower their price.
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Hi Guys,
Just want to thank the HM transport for providing the first cng bus in for route.
I think if CNG will be successful, oil companies will have a good competitor, and might lower their price.
Meron na ding provincial buses na naka CNG nakasabay ko kanina sa EDSA...BBL Trans, biyaheng Batangas-Laguna.
It will just give the bus companies an option but not give the oil companies competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by reym
Why?
CNG buses cannot use diesel fuel. And diesel buses cannot use CNG. CNG fueled buses can only use CNG.
So changing from diesel to CNG would require a new bus.
A new bus is expensive. So don't expect bus fares to go down.
Don't expect many bus companies switching to CNG anytime soon.
Also CNG refueling stations are rare. So that also limits the potential wider adaption of CNG buses.
As for the oil companies, for the foreseeable future, there will be more demand for diesel than CNG.
CNG use is not even a drop in the proverbial bucket.
BTW, I do think more buses fueled with CNG is a good thing. It is just that we still need improved CNG support infrastructure to get the whole thing going faster.
CNG will not be competition for oil companies
CNG is supplied by oil companies
Everything starts from small steps.
Kahit ung fx dati wala sumasakay eh.
Auto LPG started with just a few stations.
AFAIK Buses franchise are good only for a few years, then you have to replace your unit.
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Originally Posted by ghosthunter
The big problem with CNG buses is that the government pushed for it, got bus companies to buy buses, and got Shell to put up refueling points.
Then... nothing. The government promised a stable supply and support for the companies running CNG buses. Nothing came of it. What do you expect? That's government. :grin:
As opposed to LPG. Where private companies started offering the kits... private parties bought the systems without government incentives... and other private companies opened up refueling stations. Wham. We have hundreds of LPG stations in the Philippines now. Finally the government steps in and tries to get into the game with LPG jeepneys... but jeepney drivers have no incentive to do this... diesel isn't much more expensive than LPG, and diesel engines are more economical.
CNG, mind you, is a good idea... but until market demands support it, it will always be a very limited fuel. The market decides everything.
RE: FX taxis... errh... peopel rode them before. Back then, they were just hire taxis. Then they started offering lines. Then people started riding them. Then they proliferated.
We've had CNG buses and fuel points for years, already. And the company owners I've talked to who were in on the original experiment are not really that keen to keep on going with it.
:hysterical:Quote:
Originally Posted by uls
how exactly do FX taxis compare to CNG buses?Quote:
Everything starts from small steps.
Kahit ung fx dati wala sumasakay eh.
the fuel supply infrastructure for FX taxis don't have to be built from the ground up
with CNG buses, you need an entirely new fuel supply infrastructure
the refuelling stations are the easy part
question is, how reliable is the supply of natural gas to those refuelling stations?
the supply comes from oil companies
if the volume isnt big enough, will the oil companies even bother to guarantee a steady supply?
Auto-LPG started out as a private venture. Primarily to support the numerous Auto-LPG converted taxi cabs and the handful of auto-lpg private cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by reym
Auto-LPG stations were generally financially self-sustaining from the start.
CNG stations will only be serving buses for the foreseeable future.
How many CNG buses are there now?
See the difference?
chicken or the egg yan eh
with auto LPG, there are thousands and thousands of vehicles for LPG conversion
in short, there's demand
so naturally, supply followed
now, how many CNG buses are there?
is the demand big enough to entice supply?
hmm...i wonder where that fort bus refuels. afaik there isn't a CNG refueling station in the area.
Kakatuwa nga ung CNG vs. LPG thing...ung CNG, government na ang nagback, pumalpak; on the other hand a couple of relatively small companies started putting up small LPG conversion and fueling stations -- uncoordinated at that -- yun pa ang nagclick.
Bakit nga ba di tinuloy ung paggawa ng CNG stations?
imho, government, with all its power, could have made this work. Heck, they could have mandated that, for starters, 5% of all bus fleets must be CNG, then gradually increase that figure as more CNG refueling stations got online. Even if the feasibility studies suggest a less than optimal chance of success, they could have easilty changed the rules to make it a success. Heck, it didn't even need to make money(initially, anyways) as government can provide subsidies.
question lang: why can't we use LPG for buses? Kulang sa power factor or something?